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    America's Best College

    by Hana R. Alberts, Forbes.com

    How West Point beats the Ivy League.

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    College senior Raymond Vetter gets up at dawn to fit in a run or a workout. Then, hair shorn neatly and pants pressed, he marches into breakfast, where he sits in an assigned seat. After six hours of instruction in such subjects as Japanese literature and systems engineering, two hours of intramural sports and another family-style meal with underclassmen, Vetter rushes to return to his room by the 11:30 p.m. curfew.

    Most college students, we think, do not march to meals. A goodly number of them drink into the wee hours, duck morning classes and fail to hit the gym with any regularity. But Vetter, 21, is a cadet at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, N.Y., where college life is a bit different.

    According to students, alumni, faculty and higher education experts, the undergraduate experience at West Point and the other service academies is defined by an intense work ethic and a drive to succeed on all fronts. "We face challenges and obstacles that not every college student has to face, but we are able to be competitive in all the different areas, from sports to academics," Vetter says.

    No alcohol is allowed in the dorms and freshmen are given only one weekend leave per semester. That rigor, combined with the virtue of a free education, has made West Point tops in FORBES' list of the best colleges in the country, up from sixth place last year. The rankings are compiled in conjunction with Ohio University economist Richard Vedder and his Center for College Affordability & Productivity.

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    West Point excels in most measures. It graduates 80% of its students in four years. It is fourth in winners of Rhodes scholarships since 1923 (ahead of Stanford), sixth in Marshalls since 1982 (ahead of Columbia and Cornell) and fourth in Trumans since 1992 (ahead of Princeton and Duke). This year 4 out of 37 Gates scholars, who earn a full ride to study at the University of Cambridge in England, graduated from the service academies. The Gates roster includes four Yale grads, one from Harvard and none from Princeton.

    "I think I got a lot out of it," says Joseph M. DePinto, USMA class of '86 and chief executive of 7-Eleven. "Just the discipline, the approach I take to leadership, the understanding of the importance of teamwork. All of that stuff I learned at West Point, and I think that's what helped me be successful."
    Classes are small, with no more than 18 students. Cadets work their way through a core curriculum in which an English major has to take calculus and a chemist has to take a philosophy course. Since there are no graduate programs, faculty and administrators can focus on the undergraduates.

    "If you really look at Brown University or Boston College or Stanford, their number one mission is likely not to teach. It's to bring research dollars to the campus … to write the next book that will get them on CNN," says James Forest, an associate professor at West Point who is the director of terrorism studies. "Pressure to be that kind of new academic star isn't there [at West Point]."

    A big factor in its top rank is that grads leave without a penny of tuition loans to repay. The Army picks up all costs and pays the cadets a stipend of $895 a month. On graduation, they start as second lieutenants, earning $69,000 a year. They have to serve in the armed forces for five years plus three more years of inactive reserve duty. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have pulled 15% of reservists into active duty.

    West Point has plenty of critics. In April Thomas E. Ricks, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who has covered the military, wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post ( WPO - news - people ), calling on the government to shut the military academies. West Point doesn't produce officers of any higher caliber, he argues, than a graduate from another elite school who has participated in an ROTC program. "It's not better than Harvard," he says, citing the fact that the majority of West Point professors don't have Ph.D.s and the school's traditionally weak treatment of crucial subjects like anthropology, history and foreign languages.

    It also produces young people more prone to groupthink than to groundbreaking ideas. W. Patrick Lang, a graduate of the Virginia Military Institute and a professor of Arabic at West Point in the 1970s, says the service academies "haven't been very good at producing people who were very good at humanistic, open-ended problems."

    Bruce Fleming, who has been teaching English for 22 years at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md., faults the service academies for their rigidity. "I really love my students. I just do. It's an institution that grinds students down," he says.

    But the cadets know the drill: job security. Leadership training. Lifelong friendships. "A West Point diploma is at least as impressive as a Harvard diploma for a lot of things," says Robert Farley, an assistant professor of national security at the University of Kentucky. "Were I an employer, I'd have utter faith in a graduate of the service academies."

    "We are giving up what may be the quintessential college experience. But we're getting a job where we're immediately in a leadership position, not a back-room job where who knows what your chances of promotion are," says Elizabeth Betterbed, 20, of Fox Island, Wash., one of the 699 female cadets at West Point. "Like any other school you incur a debt, and for us it only takes five years to pay off. It's really nothing."

    Behind the Numbers

    Our college rankings are based on five criteria: graduation rate (how good a college is at helping its students finish on time); the number of national and global awards won by students and faculty; students' satisfaction with their instructors; average debt upon graduation; and postgraduate vocational success as measured by a recent graduate's average salary and alumni achievement. We prize the undergraduate experience and how well prepared students are for the real world rather than focusing on inputs such as acceptance rates and test scores. Our data are from publicly available sources rather than surveys filled out by the schools themselves. Special thanks to Richard Vedder and his research team at Ohio University.

    Top 5 Colleges

    1. United States Military Academy

    2. Princeton University

    3. California Institute of Technology

    4. Williams College

    5. Harvard University

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    820 comments

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    • Rodney Lewis  •  2 years 10 months ago
      Wow...! $69,000 is definitely not anywhere close to being correct. A typical 2nd Lieutenant actually makes about $40 to $48K depending on the location their assigned. I wish journalists would concentrate on getting the facts straight before someone commits for something like West Point on faulty information.
    • Johnny  •  2 years 10 months ago
      kathy orders are orders,,, as for the oil show me proof otherwise STFU and respect the people who protect you and keep you safe
    • Harry  •  2 years 10 months ago
      If West Pointers are so smart, why is the military so dumb? The simple NVA army took it to them, and the majority were illiterate. Funny how we measure things.
    • Jay  •  2 years 10 months ago
      This isn't surprising. The service academies are known for providing superior educations. The Ivy League schools are for the most part, over-rated. They're truly more about networking than educating.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  2 years 10 months ago
      i have not read the other 145 comments, but it seems others would have said the same:
      what your article misses entirely, is that these men (and women) are educated to lead troops into battle. period. you don't learn to do that anywhere, but WP. my father studied the art of war there, and is part of a long tradition of robustly educated, warrior leaders. it's not about the money, or about PhD's teaching or not, it's about having the ability to conduct warfare, as called upon.
    • Bullet*Proof80*  •  2 years 10 months ago
      dont have pride for this top school(just kidding) it just means that the best ones are unaffordable by populus....what does this speak to us?
    • realistic  •  2 years 10 months ago
      Hey you boneheads who don't serve, and are questioning the 69,000 a year. What you haven't added is the BAH (Basic Allowance for Housing)they get, and EVERY soldier gets. It's tax free and it's added to our pay each month. For instance, I am an E-5 SGT in the Army on Recruiting duty on LI. My base pay that is taxed for the month is 2334.90. But then I get additional money which is not taxed. 2244.00 for BAH, 450.00 for special duty pay, another 230.00 for BAS (Basic Allowance for Substanance) and another couple hundred for COLA (Cost Of Living Allowance) because of the cost difference between NY and the rest of the country. So when you add it all up, I make well over 60,000. And I save more money then other people because my rent is paid by my BAH, and I even get to save half of it, because my rent is half of what my BAH is. Plus I pay nothing for my healthcare, I have life insurance of 450,000 for only 33 dollars a month. Now I'm an E-5 SGT, a 1st LT coming in freah in his 1st year will make pretty much the same thing, when you add in all the extra pay he will get in his pay, that most of you don't about because your clueless, and they're not. Which is why they graduated from West Point and you didn't. And why we, should we decide to get out, are more marketable then you, based on numerous factors. All degrees aside, because I even have my degree, though I didn't go to west point, I received my BA while on active duty for free. But like I said, degrees aside. When it comes time and this economy recovers. There is going to be thousands of people out there with peices of paper called a degree looking for a job. And who do you think is going to get hired. Some college frat boy who hasn't applied his degree in any real world scenarios since he graduated 3 years before and has instead been 'biding his time', just getting, by working at Starbucks, or Dicks Sporting Goods? Or someone who served in the Military, been in leadership positions, applied their degree knowledge in real world scenarios, and learned more intangibles than any other college graduate could dream of? Hmmm, that's a tough one.
      Well anyway, have fun paying off your college debts for the next 10 years. I'll take my degree, save my money, and take your job when and IF I decide to get out.
      Again this is for those morons who THINK they know what they're talking about. For everyone else. Kudos to you for going to any college and completing your degree.
    • Diane  •  2 years 10 months ago
      TO ALL YOU MILITARY HATERS:
      AS FAR AS I SEE IT, IT IS THE INDIVIDUALS CHOICE TO GO INTO THE MILITARY!!! (THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THEY CAN POSSIBLY DIE AT ANY MOMENT, NONETHELESS THEY STILL SIGN UP KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE GETTING INTO) SO ENOUGH WITH THE WHOLE MILITARY BRAINWASHING PEOPLE, THATS B*LLSH!T. YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK!!! YOU ALL SIT HERE AND BELITTLE THE MILITARY WHEN IN FACT, IF IT WERENT FOR THOSE MEN "DYING" YOU PATHETIC LOSERS WOULDNT ABLE TO SIT AT YOUR COMPUTERS SAYING ALL THE SH!T THAT YOU DO! DO US ALL A FAVOR AND GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR A$$3S AND APPRECIATE WHAT THOSE MILITARY MEN & WOMEN DO FOR YOU!!! SO MANY UNGRATEFUL SOB'S!
    • A Yahoo! User  •  2 years 10 months ago
      I'm very confused about the University of Wisconsin being 415! 415!!!!!! I don't think so. One of the nation's top 5 or so schools in research. Some say number 1. I'd like to how these guys are compiling this list. I guess if you're a military or private college you get special treatment from Forbes.
    • jdr0317  •  2 years 10 months ago
      But I will say one thing, anyone find it ironic that there are college professors calling out the service institutions like W. Patrick Lang for "groupthink"?

      Yeah, that's pretty much college, except this groupthink results in Patriotism instead of sitting in your dorm room listening to John Lennon while imagining ways to use the 1st amendment.

      Sweepingly generalized statement? Yes
    • Astrid  •  2 years 10 months ago
      I'm sure they have nice US history programs, but WORLD history is surely frowned upon. It figures that the military schools don't focus on things like foreign language and anthropology, if they did those cadets wouldn't be so willing to march into another country and blast that culture apart. I'm sure that many of today's military leaders came from this school; that's why their answer to every foreign problem is "Let's just blow 'em up, rebuild 'em, and make 'em like good 'ole AMERICA !!!" Life is full of "open-ended, humanistic problems," so maybe they should teach them to solves those kinds of problems too.
    • DL  •  2 years 10 months ago
      I don't trust this list.
    • P-Bish  •  2 years 10 months ago
      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/22/nyregion/22west.html

      Those I've known who attended West Point have little nice to say about it. Those who praise a military academy are on the other side of the divide from those of us who seek peace. The military industry complex was warned to us by a West Point grad, President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Unfortunately, all subsequent commanders-in-chief, none of which had military experience to speak of, have ignored Eisenhower's warning. Shame on the so-called journalists for propagandizing any praise for a school which teaches to kill or be killed. May those who committed suicide rest in peace.
    • EJAZ  •  2 years 10 months ago
      Is it a yearly cost or the cost of four year program. I graduated 25 years ago and my is not ready to go to college for another four years
    • Chip  •  2 years 10 months ago
      Arman do you think Ivy League schools are exempt from that stuff. Your comments sound like a digruntled person...where did you go to school. My guess is Harvard or Yale.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  2 years 10 months ago
      may be the dumbest list ever.centre????&skidmore over dartmouth, brown, penn, georgetown, really?
    • ChristineC  •  2 years 10 months ago
      Agree that Haverford College is certainly #15 My son went there and he is a true intellectual with a strong moral sense. However, the picture you showed is a truly bizarre choice. It is a picture of an apartment building where my son lived for 2 years. It was not originally a part of the campus but was purchased by the school about 20 years ago The campus is beutiful!
      PS Where is Penn?
    • James  •  2 years 10 months ago
      You invalidate your report in the first information you report, that 2Lts make $69,000. Go back to the drawing board, develop a valid research plan and get significant results if in fact that is what you are seeking.
    • Neni  •  2 years 10 months ago
      The fact is that to those who value military service over academics, the military academies will always be seen as "best". To those who do not, they will never be. The military academies are generally good, but only within a limited realm of study and life experience. And only those within that realm would consider them "best". As an academic for over 30 years, I've never seen anyone jump to hire a graduate of the service academies the way they would to hire one from the Ivy League or other prestigious schools.

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