With so much attention on abortion issues and whether or not roe v.
wade should be overturned, I've been doing a lot of thinking.
I can understand both sides of the argument completely.
Most conservatives lean toward a pro-life stance. Arguing
that life begins as soon at the sperm meets the egg. Abortion
is considered murder because a baby is formed immediately and to
abort is to kill a person. I get this.
I know Christians, as well as other organized religious groups
believe to abort is to kill and this will land you in hell.
Conservatives encourage maintaining a pregnancy NO MATTER WHAT
SITUATION the mother is in. Instead of aborting an unwelcome
pregnancy, the mothers are expected to carry the child to term,
birth the baby and either A) all of a sudden get the mother's
instinct and keep the baby, or B) give the baby up for
adoption. Both choices seem lovely. What unfortunately
is the case, is that not every woman, though able to procreate are
instant mommies. Adoption sounds great, but many children
given up are left in the system for years only to live a very low
quality life.
Liberals seem to lean toward the pro-choice stance. Allowing
women to decide for themselves whether or not bringing a life into
the world is smart. Now, pro-choice is not equal to
pro-abortion. Abortion is a procedure which is painful in
more ways than one. No one is "promoting" it. Liberals
seem to understand though that if a woman needs or wants to
terminate a pregnancy, she should be allowed to make that
decision.
I've noticed on several blogs here on Shine that many MEN oppose
abortion. I'm curious guys, if a woman carried your baby to
term, when she had actually wanted to abort it, would you take 100%
custody after the birth? Many women abort their pregnancies
knowing they will not receive support from the father. So
many of you criticize the woman should "shut her legs" and never
end up in that situation in the first place. Why does all the
blame land on the woman?
Not to generalize, but in many situations, a woman becomes
pregnant... She is single, tells the father, he flees.
She's forced to have the baby on her own (should any pro-lifers
have say). WHAT IF it were the MAN that was the typical
parent to bring home baby and more of the moms fled? You'd be
singing a different tune. If the tables were turned and it
was more socially acceptable for mom to flee and leave baby with
dad, would you conservative men still advocate pro-life so
strongly?
Conservative Men, please answer my question....
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Posted by Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:13pm PDT
Report AbuseI would you take 100% custody after the bith because it would be my child. I don't believe in abortion but I also believe that it should be up to the person to dicide not anyone else
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Posted by Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:26am PST
Report AbuseA lot of scumbags would not care for their own child but a lot of men would care for their own child. Personally, I would be overjoyed to have a child as I have none at this point. About women keeping their "legs closed", they should. Men should keep their pants up as well. Only in a stable marriage relationship should a child be conceived. I know this doesn't happen but who can argue with me that this is the optimal situation to raise a mentally stable child?
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Posted by Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:06am PST
Report AbuseI think abortion is wrong on several fronts, but if a government make it legal for a woman to have one it should have to be BOTH parties not just the mother to make that decision. It takes two for the conception so the father should have as much say as the mother, yes I know, I know, its the woman's body but the woman made the "choice" to lay down with this man and have sex at that point she accepted the risks involved meaning pregnancy. Now to say " oh if you screw up and get knocked up you can just go down to some hole in a wall and spit out a dead carcass because it really isn't a life" I think is ludicrous and deeply wrong. I will always be an advocate for the unprotected, because these are children that are being killed by their own mothers. Ask yourself, if I had a "embryo" and some MAN reached up inside me and destroyed it should he be convicted? If you answer is yes then why, would you see it as anything else if you do it or allow some else to? I am a conservative man BTW.
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Posted by Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:07am PST
Report AbuseWell said, mithlondship.ship! It's about time that somebody "tells it like it needs to be" as God is not amused at human sexual sins.
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Posted by Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:32am PST
Report AbuseI am a conservative male and find that this is one issue that I do not agree with.
I believe abortion should be legal. If abortion is made illegal, people will succumb to back door, unlicensed methods of aborting a child. Take narcotics for example, they are extremly illegal but they still flood our streets. Now make abortion illegal, and who will perform the surgery?
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Posted by Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:09pm PST
Report AbuseI think it is unfair that men have no say in the life of the child. If the mother decides to keep the baby, he cannot "abort" his child support duties. If he wants to have his own baby and keep custody, he has no choice if his wife wants to kill it. Is that fair?
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Posted by Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:29pm PST
Report AbuseThere are public perceptions, and then there are actual, polled facts.
Men, statistically speaking, are typically more in favor of abortions then women. It's been that way for quite a while. The reasons should be obvious to anyone, just as they were to some of the early, anti-abortion suffragettes. But a lot of modern feminists don't seem to know, or care to discuss, this.
If we must separate out the "conservative men" then you'd see they're more likely in favor of abstinence, marriage, manning up to raising a child, or widening adoption. Not Hit n' Run tactics.
Not that any of their solutions are perfect either. But at least women can still legally over-ride the man's desire to keep or abort a baby - it's a fact - he can lose out either way. And while child support laws are not perfect either, a guy can still get thrown in jail for non-support. I once worked with a guy who said he had just that happen to him. The whole "Get Deadbeat Dads" movement is getting steam too - for better or worse.
Like a comedienne once said "Guys wonder why they can't have a say in women having a baby or not. I tell them we'll worry about that when women make the same salaries as men!"
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Posted by Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:23pm PST
Report AbuseAsking completely irrelevant questions goes nowhere other than to deminish one side's position, in this case it is the age-old "men aren't qualified to be part of the discusion" arguement. First of all your assertion that most babies put up for adoption stay in the system is completely false. In most areas there is an incredible waiting list and long process in order to adopt a baby. The children that are left in the system are generally ones put up for adoption at later ages. The real problem with sperm donors not holding up there end of the bargain....you need look no further than the US Governments willingness to be the Daddy. I understand your side of the fence, I just don't happen to agree with it. There are many hard facts and decisions in life....and yes, life isn't fair....you just have to deal with it and snuffing out an innocent life is an awefully big sacrifice, for at least one of the people involved, because of bad luck, bad judgement or whatever you would want to call an unplanned pregnancy. I would go on but I need to get back to being a productive member of society so that I can pay my taxes enabling the continuation of the government tit that way to many are sucking on.
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