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COULD AN EGALITARIAN SOCIETY CRUSH THE AMERICAN DREAM? by J MONTANA




Social Solidarity or its absence may be to blame for the reason we can not have Universal Healthcare. I am not saying that we as a society are being portrayed as running amuck and are against individualism, like atoms floating in space, nor am I suggesting that it is the only
thing holding people together, preventing relationships from fracturing, and holding people
to society and that we should oppose the imposition of order and coherence of the state. I believe in the mom and pop shops of America. Could the Democrats and Republican parties ever except the dreams of America and believe in equality and Egalitarianism? Is a more Egalitarian society what we all would dream of in the real world? We are stuck in this battle of the wits with the Government because they let big business run the health insurance provider industry along with the pharmaceutical industry. There are conservatives that believe that Egalitarian dreams are dangerous and would lead to a fall of our nation as they try to socialize medicine, and merit over taxation with cries that It is simple justice for all Americans to have basic civil rights. It is how the civil rights are defined, in my opinion, are the reasons that we are debating the issues. I believe in Equal rights for everyone, but why does this mean that we have to be labeled a Socialist or Egalitarian Society?

I as a Republican , am guilty of standing firm to the fact that I do not want to be told how, when or where and have little room for the ideal of change to this new world order. Does this make me guilty of not wanting change? I believe in freedom at all cost. An Egalitarian Society how ever Communist or Socialist we view it means Equal rights and Justice for All regardless of status. There would not be an upper or middle class anymore. We would be taxed the same as the rich and have the same benefits even if we could not afford them. We would also be punished for this equality if we could not pay the higher taxes and pay the premiums to keep the equal Healthcare benefits. We hear the cries of the democracy that “ We can’t fix healthcare overnight.” Liberals are in fear of reaching out for being called socialist. We are reading about this everyday. This is one reason why we fought the “ Cold War.” President Eisenhower was one of the first presidents to implement protecting our nation from being a Communist or Socialist Society. Then, in the 1960’s JFK stood firm against the Soviet union and Fidel Castro of Cuba. Every plan in action for healthcare, from on high, is being zoned as a Socialist decision.

Could we ever support a Conservative Plan like“The Single Payer” plan they have in Canada? This plan has bipartisan support, though I am sure the liberals love it, it was drawn up by the conservatives. The Single- Payer Health Care Plan is often introduced as one way to offer up universal healthcare. This is a term we use to describe Doctors being paid by a single fund either by the government or by a publicly owned agency that would be regulated by law. There are types and variations of single-payer health insurance programs to consider as well as The Method of Implementation, the intent which is to balance the risks, and the moral hazards that arise stemming from the quantity vs. quality for which hospitals may get paid. We have heard the stores of The cancer patient that was denied treatment because of her insurance company.

How can I change? I was raised to believe in America. I want to come together as a society without the fear of turning into a Socialist nation but It scares me. Is a dreaming to reside in a more egalitarian society really that bad? Could we come together as a nation- “ One Nation Under God”, without being confused as being a Communist or a Socialist Society? If we could all come together as one nation with out the worries of the whose who of the right winged-republican or the lefty- liberals, we may just see a great nation accomplish what all of the other nations have preceded to do before us. If a more Egalitarian Society is an a doctrine of Grace and equality, as it is defined, then why is it crushing the American dream?



Seven problems that have to be addressed and overcome before we can decide on a plan that will
bond us together as a society in this decision are:

• Balancing lifetime risks and expenditures

• Lower administrative costs

• Tackling of moral hazard

• Avoid problems associated with medical underwriting

• Introduce Universal health care

• Avoiding Medical Bankruptcies

• Encourage preventative medicine

State proposals

California's Legislature has twice passed a state-level single payer bill, SB 840, "The California Universal Healthcare Act" (authored by Sheila Kuehl), in 2006 and again in 2008. Both times, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill. State Senator Mark Leno re-introduced "The California Universal Healthcare Act" again in March 2009, newly renumbered as SB 810. SB 810 is set for its first legislative hearing on April 15, 2009.

In April 2008, the Illinois House of Representatives' Health Availability Access Committee passed the single-payer bill HB 311, "The Health Care for All Illinois Act, favorably out of committee by an 8-4 vote.

Several single-payer referendums have been proposed at the state level, but so far all have failed to pass: California in 1994, Massachusetts in 2000, and Oregon in 2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care


The following are clips from an article. They do not express my personal views.

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http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2008/10/22/why-did-we-fight-the-cold-war/

Why Did We Fight the Cold War?

 By: Richard Geno

We paid a tremendous price - both in people and treasure - to preserve our freedom-oriented system of government. After all of that sacrifice, we now have one of our country’s major political parties wanting to
implement the very system we fought so very hard to avoid. Taking advantage of difficult financial times, the Democrat Party now wants to fundamentally change our system of government in order to “spread the wealth around.”

The United States was founded on the private enterprise system where all resources are privately owned. Adam Smith, in his book “The Wealth of Nations,” indicated that private interests would promote the social interest. For over two hundred years, the United States has created more wealth than any other country by organizing and allocating economic resources based on free markets and individual property rights. Not only has this system provided an exceptional lifestyle for Americans; but it has also enabled us to feed much of the world, and provide an improved standard of living for every person on earth.

Conversely, Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian and classless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property.

Senator Barack Obama’s policies are communist, pure and simple. Recently, he has advocated his version of
the Karl Marx Communist Manifesto of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” With
the collusion of the media, history has demonstrated that these communist societies have led to totalitarian
states. Senator Obama is doing everything to assure that as well by training, funding and working closely with organizations like ACORN. He has called for a national citizen military force. He has sent government agents to intimidate American citizens who have said they don’t agree with him, and to those will not vote for him. He also tried to use the offices of state Attorneys General to silence any opposition or dissent. This sounds remarkably
like Joseph Stalin’s Soviet Union.

Here are just a few of his communistic proposals:

* Universal guaranteed health care
* Free college tuition
* Universal national service similar to what is practiced in Cuba
* Wage Insurance where dislocated workers will be supplemented by the government to their old levels
* Free Child care and universal preschool
* Increased earned income tax credit for the working poor

Nancy Pelosi has said, “We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income in our country, and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.” When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied, “We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of
living they would like to have as Americans.” This is classic Marxism.

We may be facing the first democratically elected Communist government in world history.

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( Once again the above article Does not express my personal views.)

Why does change mean that Liberal Egalitarian Democrats are Communists?

Why can we not work just work together for a Greater Society?
Why is it an " all or none" mentality with us?


The following are two clips from:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_4_urbanities-dangerous.html

Dangerous Egalitarian Dreams
  by  John Kekes

The most celebrated public philosophers of our time—our Rousseau and Voltaire, so to speak—are John Rawls and Ronald Dworkin. Prophets of a non-Marxist socialism, they provide the rationale for the domestic agenda of the left wing of the Democratic party, and they are in large measure responsible for the Left's remarkable success in occupying the moral high ground. They have convinced the nation's elites that it is a matter of simple justice for our society systematically to deprive the large majority of citizens of a sizable portion of their legally owned
property to benefit a much smaller minority—an Orwellian redefinition that mocks as well as violates justice. In
their egalitarian philosophical system, there's no need to debate the merits of progressive taxation, anti-poverty programs, socialized medicine, affirmative action, and welfare legislation: a society that lacks them is, by definition, not a just society.

The impassioned egalitarian rhetoric that asserts this supposed obligation cows many people into acquiescence. But no such obligation exists, and the appeal to it is absurd, because it requires the equalization of the property
of rapists and their victims, welfare cheats and taxpayers, spendthrifts and savers. No reasonable person can
believe that we are obliged to treat the moral and immoral, the prudent and imprudent, the law-abiding and the criminal with equal consideration. While we may have an obligation to help those who are poor through no fault of their own, it is absurd to suppose that if, as a result of bad choices, people find themselves below the poverty
level, then it becomes the obligation of the government to help them by confiscating a considerable portion of the property of everyone else.http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_4_urbanities-dangerous.html


We have come to accept and understand Obama’s Robin Hood mentality to a certain extent, other wise so many Americans would not have voted for him, but when we have to treat rapists and their victims as equal I have to disagree and draw the line. I guess my Conservative views are just an American Dream.


























Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill in the state of California that was introduced to him as you
read above. How can we address this issue as a nation on a federal level, if at the state level, we will veto it
out right? Could the dream of a more Egalitarian Society be just a dream?

Could This be another dead in the water issue like same- sex marriage? If this issue on universal healthcare
can not pass at the state lat the state level, how can we possibly rely on our government’s bi- partisan’s
sophistry to get this passed on a federal level?


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  • Snowflower's Avatar
    Posted by Snowflower Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:15pm PDT

    Good point!

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  • J Montana™'s Avatar
    Posted by J Montana™ Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:27pm PDT

    Snowflower,

    Thank you for visiting!

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  • J Montana™'s Avatar
    Posted by J Montana™ Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:50pm PDT

    My post is about Healthcare, Jax.

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  • JAYBEE BABY's Avatar
    Posted by JAYBEE BABY Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:51pm PDT

    sometimes a point has to be made and i know that there are some folk that aren't going to agree with everythang u say or write but sometimes the truth needs to be heard and u jus wrote the truth

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  • J Montana™'s Avatar
    Posted by J Montana™ Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:51pm PDT

    Jax,

    I did not write this post about Obama. This post is about Healthcare.

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  • J Montana™'s Avatar
    Posted by J Montana™ Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:11pm PDT

    Jax,

    Read the article Clip. I said they are not my views.

    That was a small clip from

    Why Did We Fight the Cold War?

    By: Richard Geno

    I clearly stated the above artice were not my views.

    I even gave the link.

    Those were not my words.

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  • J Montana™'s Avatar
    Posted by J Montana™ Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:13pm PDT

    This is from my post.

    The following are clips from an article. They do not express my personal views.

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    http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2008/10/22/why-did-we-fight-the-cold-war/

    Why Did We Fight the Cold War?

    By: Richard Geno

    We paid a tremendous price - both in people and treasure - to preserve our freedom-oriented system of government. After all of that sacrifice, we now have one of our country’s major political parties wanting to

    implement the very system we fought so very hard to avoid. Taking advantage of difficult financial times, the Democrat Party now wants to fundamentally change our system of government in order to “spread the wealth around.”

    The United States was founded on the private enterprise system where all resources are privately owned. Adam Smith, in his book “The Wealth of Nations,” indicated that private interests would promote the social interest. For over two hundred years, the United States has created more wealth than any other country by organizing and allocating economic resources based on free markets and individual property rights. Not only has this system provided an exceptional lifestyle for Americans; but it has also enabled us to feed much of the world, and provide an improved standard of living for every person on earth.

    Conversely, Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian and classless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property.

    Senator Barack Obama’s policies are communist, pure and simple. Recently, he has advocated his version of

    the Karl Marx Communist Manifesto of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

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  • jon's Avatar
    Posted by jon Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:17pm PDT

    My comments are :

    should there be a difference in health care associated with money?

    If you are poorer, should your flu only be treated half way?

    If you have a broken arm , should it only be set but not put in a cast?

    or if it is broken should it be amputated and a bionic device cloned with your cells be implanted with all the latest technology without

    your consent even if you can afford it?

    should the cost of an mri be based on a current pricing plan of the

    economic standing of the dow or nyse or the concept "what the market

    will bear" determines? most jobs chase the pricing of inflationary

    costs of living. most jobs arent affected by the deflation of that same

    market,dollar per hour wise. how many take less money when the economy

    devaluates? deflation just makes the dollar worth less but you still

    get the same per hour.

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  • TasselLady's Avatar
    Posted by TasselLady Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:19pm PDT

    No matter what party we are from, what's going on is painfully clear. Bit by bit our rights are being taken away. First they're trying to take God out of our country and out of schools, public places, and so on. Second, now the government wants to rule what we eat, what we wear, where we live, what we listen to on the radio. Next they're going to tell us what and where to go on the internet. I'm a Democrat, and already I'm seeing a breakdown in the American Dream. The American Dream is for rich people only, because ONLY THEY can AFFORD the American dream. As for healthcare????? If the government takes it over we could be in big trouble. At least through my employer I have a little bit of a choice about things. I'm not sure we'll get that with the government. It scares me, this new world order. It was foretold in the bible this would happen. Bit by bit things are falling into place like it said it would. Even being a Democrat I'm still remaining neutral on many subjects because I'm waiting to see what is going to happen. Sometimes things aren't always what they seem to be. I learned that early on in my life. All we can do is sit tight, as difficult as it is and see where all of this is going to lead. We need to take this country back, and IT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL OF US, NOT JUST A PARTICULAR GOVERNMENT PARTY. It's time for Republicans and Democrats to quit this ridiculous name calling and fighting and start working together to get our country back on its feet. Only then will things begin to happen.

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  • Tender Love's Avatar
    Posted by Tender Love Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:20pm PDT

    Great piece once again J!

    We need a Universal Healthcare because it is not good that people are left out in the cold to die if they do not have healthcare. It's ABUSE to Americans and it needs to stop.

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