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Thursday, December 10, 2009

Does unemployment insurance keep people from working?

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One of the best ways to find work is to work part-time in the hopes of it turning into full-time employment. Another strategy is to try to work for yourself as a freelancer, consultant or entrepreneur. But either of these have one giant downside -- if you collect unemployment insurance and you earn more than a certain amount a week from work, you'll jeopardize your unemployment earnings.

Here's how it works in NY, where I live (it varies state by state, but most states have a similar system):

If you work less than four days in a week and earn $405 or less, you may receive partial benefits. Each day or part of a day of work will result in your weekly benefit rate being reduced by one-quarter. For example, if your weekly benefit rate is $100 and you work three days and earn less than $405, you could potentially receive $25 in benefits. If you work two days, you could potentially receive $50 in benefits. If you work one day, you could potentially receive $75 in benefits.

As I talk to people, I've noticed a pattern. Though almost no one could support themselves on the paltry sum they receive from unemployment insurance, many folks (especially at the lower end of the income spectrum) use unemployment benefits as a cushion that supplement with some other income until they find a full-time job. But in order to preserve their unemployment benefits, they look for off-the-books work.  Sometimes they do consulting or freelance work, again only if they can find clients willing to pay them on the sly. By doing this, they might be taking steps towards finding full-time work. But they are probably living in fear of being discovered (and facing severe penalties, including jail time in some states).

Though the stimulus plan did extend unemployment benefits 13-20 weeks in states with exceptionally high unemployment, I wonder if more time is what people really need. What if our system encouraged people to double dip rather than penalizing them for it -- at least for a reasonable period of time, say six months, to give them a chance to get back on their feet?

I talked about this with Zachary Hummel, an employment lawyer. "If I were a government, I'd want to encourage people to take part-time work that resulted in taxes," he said. "We could even incent employers through some kind of stimulus program to employ people collecting unemployment." He added. I tend to agree. Why have a system that penalizes people for doing the very thing that will get them back to full-time employment?

One of every three unemployed people is jobless for over 27 weeks, according to the Department of Labor. That's a long time to be looking for work and relying on benefits that are usually not enough to live on (And even longer for those who don't qualify for unemployment benefits). There's go to be a better way.

What's your take -- Does the unemployment system encourage people to try to beat the system?

Might we be better off with policies that provide incentives to people who find ways to earn income until they are fully employed?
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  • opiniononly's Avatar
    Posted by opiniononly Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:33am PDT

    There is a veiled stink of stereotyping with this article that I find offensive.

    "Though almost no one could support themselves on the paltry sum they receive from unemployment insurance, many folks (especially at the lower end of the income spectrum) use unemployment benefits as a cushion that supplement with some other income until they find a full-time job."

    Really...does that mean that my unemployed CPA friend, my unemployed college professor friend, and my unemployed roofing tradesman friend (all of whom made way more money than me), each of whom are moonlighting in cash paying jobs, are also on the "lower end of the income spectrum"?

    Although every state/federally funded aid program has resulted in folks who will milk the system for what they can get, from my experience, most of my unemployed friends and professional colleagues are actively seeking work.

    Chose your words with care...you may also find yourself unemployed.

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  • becca's Avatar
    Posted by becca Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:58am PDT

    Yeah some people will go out and actually try to get a job, but not everyone is like that.

    I know a guy that wants to get a job for a little while, go on unemployment until he runs out of time, and do it over and over again.

    I don't think it's fair. Yes people need it, but I think it should be regulated a little differently.

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  • yaya's Avatar
    Posted by yaya Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:03am PDT

    "Though almost no one could support themselves on the paltry sum they receive from unemployment insurance, many folks (especially at the lower end of the income spectrum) use unemployment benefits as a cushion that supplement with some other income until they find a full-time job."

    I do not see a problem with that statement, and in fact I agree with it very much, based on my personal experience. Maybe you misunderstood the author? Its a known fact that people at a lower economic status do this. I know PLENTY of people who do so and come tax time I can not believe that I am asked to basically help fund the checks these people get. I know this one lady who quits her jobs on purpose after a month or 2 JUST so she can then get unemployment checks. Meanwhile I work HARD for my money and am forced to give my money to the governemnt. Makes me sick to my stomach.

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  • Ahleah G's Avatar
    Posted by Ahleah G Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:17pm PDT

    Unemployment pays only a portion of what you were earning before. And it has a maximum benefit. My boyfriend is on unemployment and it is barely enough to cover his share of the bills. The maximum benefit is only 1/4 of his prior income. So while someone who is making 20K a year can get benefits for half of their weekly pay, once you were making over 20k the amount of benefits you get doesn't increase anymore. He is definitely trying to get a job because for us it doesn't compare to what he could be earning. But due to the rules he is also not applying for any part time or temp positions because then he may get no unemployment benefits at all.

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  • annie's Avatar
    Posted by annie Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:34pm PDT

    Without a doubt there are lifelong recipients of some aide. OH HELL YES!

    I am HAPPY to report thst my drug addicted heroin 46 y/o sister is getting OFF SSD (her last check is November) and even more blessed to give her a shout for EIGHT MONTHS OF CLEAN RANDOM 16 PANELS!!! You GO NOW BABY you can DO IT. You MUST. It's been too long.

    She was placed on the governent tit at age 22 by our mother.

    That's 24 years of NO JOB EVER (after that brief two year

    stint as a fashion model doing newspaper print ads and runways in which she earned collectively with her twin sister, still using, a quarter of a million dollars).

    The Doublemint Doublemint Doublemint Gum Twins. They snorted a lot more China White than they chewed of the free gum. (That gives a

    photographer's model that slack jawed sloe eyed bedroom sexy bloooooooe look). They SHOULD have stayed in high school, or got their GED at least and yes.....chewed some Double Bubble for their orals instead....

    24 years of no-fail-always-there-in-the-box $1,356 a month on YOU the taxpayor.

    24 years of $248 each of the LINC card on YOU the taxpayor. (they always sold it for half price cash right outside the Schnucks Store because smack heads don't have big appetities for food).

    24 years of an empty, but niiiiice, Section-8 apartment on YOU the taxpayor.

    24 years of subsidy IPA on YOU the taxpayor (at least 25 month long stays in rehab when heroin mainliners put the word out don't use for 30 days: the stuff on the street is cut with quinine). That subsidy pays for the inpatient and outpatient methadone until the bad chit passes through the midwest....

    Shhhhhhh. Maybe this time it's finally over and she will triumph. And the taxpayors, at least THIS big sister, will get some peace.

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  • tweet's Avatar
    Posted by tweet Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:29am PDT

    unemployement has keept me from getting mim wage jobs...which are double the work for very little pay. the EDD says not to get a part time job. they want you to get a full time job. but alas they are not so abundant out there. I am looking very hard and appling for jobs...looking into a home base buisness and maybe turning a hobby into income.

    this is a time when your talent and street smarts much shine - over the degree and second lang.

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  • Rebekah's Avatar
    Posted by Rebekah Fri Oct 2, 2009 9:43pm PDT

    Yes, the system needs to be changed. I have been collecting the maximum unemployment benefit for 12 months. It is 50% of my prior income, and not enough to support myself. I moved in with my parents and am still barely scraping by. If I could get some part time/temp/freelance work that was in addition to my unemployment and not subtracted from it-- I could get an apartment near where I am looking for work, regain confidence, get out of the house, meet people, network, and more likely get a full time job sooner. I tried taking a small temp job and made $200. Once I claimed it, it made my unemployment claim very complicated and resulted in massive paperwork (including followup letters, emails, phonecalls to get the paperwork processed) and over a month where I received no unemployment check while the issue was dealt with. After that I stopped doing temp work or anything under my weekly unemployment claim amount because it wasn't worth the headache. I think that they should allow those collecting unemployment to make additional money-- up to a certain amount-- before it deducts from their benefit amount. That way people could augment their unemployment with part time/freelance/temp work and it would be more likely to lead to full time employment.

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  • Jen's Avatar
    Posted by Jen Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:50am PDT

    I think that YES, more money would be better then extensions and how about better job offices! The people that work at these Workforce 1 locations really don't help, AT ALL.

    I wonder, what can you find now that is still off the books?

    I live in NYC

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  • nonotinthere's Avatar
    Posted by nonotinthere Mon Dec 7, 2009 7:52am PST

    How do you complain about a system that pays you to not work.well here goes: after getting fired from the local @#$! hole i finaly got unemployment after like a month and a half of nothing in wich time all my credit cards went to the red. if i want to work for cash when i can i am self employed and not eligible so i took a job as a bus driver for the school thinking unemployment would cover the balance nope if you work 1 minute of a day you 1/4 of that week. i just cant understand why they dontlet you earn what you can.

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