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Sunday, September 7, 2008

Q & A: Amy Richards, author of 'Opting In: Having a Child Without Losing Yourself'

In her new book Opting In: Having a Child Without Losing Yourself, Amy Richards explores the tricky landscape of motherhood in the 21st Century. Richards, age 38, who is the mother of two young boys, is a well-known feminist and a leader in the Third Wave movement. She is also is the cofounder of Soapbox, a progressive speakers bureau. BusinessWeek editor and Mommy Track'd columnist, Lauren Young, recently caught up with Richards to talk about her new book, focusing on the issues affecting working parents. Here are edited excerpts of our conversation:


Q. The first chapter of your book is titled: “To Work or Not to Work Is Not the Question.” So why does the all-or-nothing approach get so much ink?

A. There are two reasons why. It’s an upper-middle class dilemma. As a society we are more focused on that demographic. We are most invested in that community—what are they doing—and base our choices on what they’ve made acceptable or not. It also masks a much deeper question: Do we want to work? The majority of us not only need to work financially. Most of us want something beyond the monotony of our homes and the joy of our children. I want to retire that question as being about that specific thing. What it is masking is the issues we have with other women. Who is a better mother? Who does society care more about? Who will my children think is a much more respectable person in society? This question has dominated because it’s masked our desire to be more competitive or confront other women. When I talk to a lot of my friends, the debate never ends, even when we have made up our minds. We each need something unique, but most of us need a combination of working and being around for our children and the household responsibilities.

Q. What options do working mothers have today? Do men have the same options?

A. We want to complain that parental leave isn’t paid, but there are a lot of employers who offer paid leave—or just leave—and there are employees who don’t take it. The problem is that we haven’t changed culture enough to start taking advantages of the options offered to us. Whether you take six months of maternity leave or a year, I actually think it shouldn’t necessarily be right in the beginning. Yeah, maybe you want to spend the first couple of weeks at home. And maybe you can bring your baby to the office when they are so much easier and more portable. But I actually think you should take leave later on when your children are more mobile and engaged.

Q. You are an advocate of working. Why?

A. People who work definitely seem happier when they work—I say “work” very loosely. You may not be the primary breadwinner, but if you have other responsibilities, it gives you an excuse to not be a perfect parent. If your job is to be a full-time parent and your kid is still throwing temper tantrums at age 7, there’s a lot more pressure to fix the problem. If you work, people say, ‘Oh, she works” even though it isn’t a good reason. Read full interview.

Lauren Young is a BusinessWeek editor and the host of the Mommy Track'd Around the Watercooler column on working motherhood.
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  • findingwhatmattersdotcom's Avatar
    Posted by findingwhatmattersdotcom Wed May 21, 2008 7:10am PDT

    Thank you for writing this important book. When will we, as women, finally accept that there is no one "right" way to do this? I've been a full time corporate career woman, (briefly) a stay-at-home mother, and a telecommuter/freelancer and there is no escaping the criticism, sometimes unspoken, of women who are certain that theirs is the only way.

    I've been a little surprised, frankly, at the feminist movement's response in some cases (not that an entire movement can be reduced to one response...) in that there are those who want to pigeonhole every woman into a walking, talking HavingItAll model. That leaves out those who want to stay home, or choose to downshift their careers. The critical media response to those women sounds frighteningly similar to the 1950's style man who employed those same pigeonholing tactics to try to keep women out of the workplace. I think true equality exists when your decision is YOUR decision to make, meaning you and your husband and no one else.

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  • Jen Singer, Good Housekeeping's Avatar
    Posted by Jen Singer, Good Housekeeping Wed May 21, 2008 7:24am PDT

    Kudos to Amy Richards for declaring the Mommy Wars over. The percentage of moms who work full-time outside the home and those who are home full-time with the kids doesn't add up to the large numbers of moms in between who are working from home, working part-time, at-home part-time, working only during school hours, running their own businesses, etc. There isn't so much an either-or anymore as a "what's right for my family." And isn't choice what the feminist movement was all about?

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  • Susan Jackson's Avatar
    Posted by Susan Jackson Wed May 21, 2008 8:31am PDT

    I like the concept of changing the stereotypical questions to reflect reality. I don't know anyone who realistically asks "Should I work or not?" because it's too simplistic. They ask a whole host of questions, struggle between the answers, and may never feel 100% resolved about their choices. That's just how it goes as a modern mom, I think.

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  • doitformybaby8's Avatar
    Posted by doitformybaby8 Wed May 21, 2008 9:03am PDT

    I have used what seems like a hundred online companies, doing surveys, secret shoppers, etc. Lots of them ask for fees and such, which I wont pay. I have found a few places that are completely free. I have used all the places I put on there and have been paid by them, so I know they’re legit... You can go to http://www.freewebs.com/free2workathome/ to see my list

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  • somebodys.mother's Avatar
    Posted by somebodys.mother Wed May 21, 2008 2:13pm PDT

    This article is one of the more substantive of those today on Shine, but that’s all the credit you get. So you’re not offering a new table runner or a special picnic menu, or answering the age-old question, should I date my boss?—good for you. Still, the discussion in “To Work or Not to Work is Not the Question” really needs to go deeper, or I’m going back to the Finance section (because I really need the info on how to make my scant earnings work).

    I agree with the article’s premise—that mothers need greater flexibility in life and job--I’ve agreed with it for ten years now, through no and full and part-time employment and full-time motherhood. I have agreed for too long to be excited about the discussion anymore. But beyond being bored by the well-trod ground, several of Ms. Richards points don’t hold up. The main one for me: “When women cannot bring [income] into relationships, their decision-making is not prioritized to the extent of what the breadwinners get.” Oh yeah? I’ve always had a say in how the money gets spent. I’m not waiting to be invited into the discussion. To get a job so you can have power in the relationship is backwards—you know, equal partnership from the beginning. But that’s all part of the old tired discussion.

    Here’s something for women to sink their teeth into: How are we helping our households, communities, country and world become the places we know they should be? If you go to work for, say, Exxon (Altria, Wal-Mart, Victoria’s Secret), and help them do a better job (extracting more oil, developing new smokers, selling cheap garbage to poor people, adding more sex to our sex-sodden culture), I’d say you’d be better off a hausfrau making peanut butter sandwiches. I was recently offered an editor position for a defense-contractor/homeland security/submarine warfare kind of firm. I need the money, and I would certainly be treated as an adult and gain worthwhile professional skills, but then I have to think about the world I would be helping support.

    Mothers used to be thought of as moral centers. They knew what was the right thing to do and would hold themselves, their children, and even complete strangers to higher standards. (We still are held up as intrinsically moral—don’t you get a funny look when you swear?) No one else seems to want to take on that identity anymore. So let’s raise the level of discussion, and raise our own status in the world today. Let’s make our discussion not about what kind of working mothers we are going to be, but about what we are going to work on.

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  • J617angel's Avatar
    Posted by J617angel Wed May 21, 2008 4:24pm PDT

    I never knew that I would Really want to stay home until I had my first child. I had gone to college and was working two jobs. When she came along I went down to working one. We still needed Daycare Three days a week. It was so expensive we were having a hard time making ends meet. 9 months later I was Pregnant again. oops! It actually worked out well, I got to stay home becuase we certainly could not afford to pay for two children to be in daycare. We ended up saving more money and I would not change a thing!

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    Posted by negar t Thu May 22, 2008 3:08am PDT

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    Posted by beatlesarerightalluneedislove Thu May 22, 2008 12:14pm PDT

    I thought that mom at HOME WAS WORK!!!

    HAING CHILDREN AND THEN TURNING THEM OVER FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO RAISE?

    THEIR MORALS? THEIR GAMES? THEIR TOUCHING?

    UNLESS ITS YOUR MOM(childs grandmom or granddad) I WOULDNT SUGGEST HAVING CHILDREN UNLESS YOU ARE ( HOLY COW HOLD ON FOR THIS ONE) ACTUALLY READY TO RAISE THEM.

    WHAT A TERRIBLE THING TO MAKE WOMEN LOOK LIKE THEY CANT ENJOY THE LIVES OF THE CHILDREN THEY JUST GAVE BIRTH TO.

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  • lyoungny's Avatar
    Posted by lyoungny Fri May 23, 2008 7:50am PDT

    I'm glad this Q&A sparked such interesting commentary!

    To Somebody's Mother, Amy Richards has built her entire career on the discussion of major issues. Check out her previous books, "Manifesta" and "Grassroots" which focus on themes and people central to the feminist movement. Lauren Young, BusinessWeek (the author of this Q&A)

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