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Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Bodysnarking in disguise: Sienna Miller and the Great Slut Debate

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Just Jared


I have to point you over to this post on The Frisky about the Great Slut Debate, and why, exactly, we keep flogging it over, and over, and over again. Amelia sums up the debate brilliantly:

"The most common use of the word "slut" describes a person, usually a woman, who is promiscuous--another word that's definition is totally open to debate. I suppose if you're, say, a practicing Catholic, you're a promiscuous slut if you're having pre-marital sex. If you're a person who thinks sex should occur between two people who love each other, someone who has sex with someone they only like may be a slut. Maybe your definition is a numbers game--five sexual partners in one's lifetime is a-okay, but anything over that and damn, it's obvious you don't respect your body. People who throw around the word slut love to pretend like there's a concern for the slut's body, and her lack of respect for it. What does "respect" in this context mean anyway? Certainly it's possible for a woman who's slept with 40 men to respect her body more than someone who's only slept with one person--maybe she respects her body's desire to experience pleasure, rather than her body's desire to follow rules put upon her by someone slipping a purity ring on her finger, for example."

Also on Elastic Waist: Just how pure do you think I am (or should be)? The purity test.

What struck me the most was her point about how the harping on the disrespect-for-our-bodies angle is disguised as "concern" for other women's bodies. It hit me hard--it's just another wretched facet of the whole bodysnarking phenomenon, isn't it? Where we busy ourselves worrying about who has gotten fat and who's gotten thin and whose ankles are too thick and who can lose the baby weight fastest and become an OMG WEIGHT LOSS SUPERSTAR!

More from Elastic Waist: Anne keeps calling bullsh*t on the beauty ideal.

We get righteously (and rightfully) angry when magazines do it, but then we participate ourselves, when we enter into the slut debate, the judgment of sexual behavior. I would even suggest that we buy into it when we let ourselves feel guilty for our own sexual behavior--when we decide that we've been too promiscuous, we've enjoyed ourselves too much (because the human body is absolutely built for ascetic self-denial). We've been too physical. We're not allowed to be physical because we're too fat, we're too nice, we're too insert-guilty-thought-here.

It's more than just sex--it's pleasure. We demonize pleasure too often, we deny ourselves luxury and indulgence. We eat lemon gum instead of gummy bears far too often, we turn down the offer of a one-night stand because it would not be right. It would be wonderful, but it wouldn't be right. We don't want to be a slut, or a pig. We don't want anyone to think of us like that; we secretly hate ourselves and think of ourselves like that. We internalize the snark.

I'm with Amelia--the slut debate needs to die, and it needs to take guilt over indulgence and remorse for pleasure and shame when we indulge in luxury with it.

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  • monty2209128's Avatar
    Posted by monty2209128 Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:03am PDT

    Calling someone out of their name is never okay. Say it to the wrong person and you'll be in for a rude awaking. Why would you worry about another person’s sex life? Lonely, maybe.

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  • TracyW's Avatar
    Posted by TracyW Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:33am PDT

    I agree with Love..... however I've told more men to respect themselves than women lately.. my xbf was found out by me, to be kinda what I call a "manwh*re*. I did tell him that but later regretted it. He already knew what he was!!!!!

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  • D's Avatar
    Posted by D Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:39am PDT

    Hypocrite much?

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  • mabcosmic's Avatar
    Posted by mabcosmic Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:57pm PDT

    Oh if this gets you going, read Rich Santos' recent blog entry about promiscuous girls. My thoughts are posted there at that entry.

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  • Nose's Avatar
    Posted by Nose Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:56pm PDT

    I kinda like the word slut. But then again, I also like the word c*nt too. One can use both these words in a positive way, in an empowering way the same way the B word (rhymes with witch) is used. Who's to say what is right about what one does with their body? Whether you made love to 4 different people, or forty or a hundred and forty......or none yet. Think about what your intention was at the time. I was looking for love (in all the wrong places) and have ZERO regrets about anything I've done or who I slept with. Everything I've done has brought me to where I am now and I wouldn't change a thing. Experience teaches us and brings wisdom. I may have had my heart broken a few times, but as Woody Allen says "the heart is a resilient little muscle." It is and each time it healed after it got broken, it healed stronger. Looking back, you can say I was a slut but whatever I did was right for me at the time. And no, I never slept with the football team either.

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  • brisingamen's Avatar
    Posted by brisingamen Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:18pm PDT

    Enjoying sex with as many people as you want is fine and dandy as long as you are CAREFUL. There are men and women out there who act as is pregnancy and STDs don't exist. People who will sleep with anyone because they drink too much at a party and have no plan ahead of time to get a ride home or be looked after if things get too crazy and naturally they do things they may regret and actually have good reason to. In the case of Sienna Miller -- she's frollicking on a beach half naked with a married man. Now the married man is more to blame I believe however does she ever stop to think what his wife and his CHILDREN might feel when they see those photos. When their friends and family see those photos? Can you imagine how humiliating that would be? It's bad enough if your husband is cheating on you but that is just something I'm not sure anyone could handle. The least she could do is try and be a little discrete.

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  • badgerdog's Avatar
    Posted by badgerdog Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:05pm PDT

    I remember reading (I can't remember who said this) that organized religion originally used the shaming of sex as a way to control the masses. Because sex is a very powerful tool, and by repressing it, you can control and influence people more. Nowadays, however, I think those outdated reactions to sex are just ingrained in people, Pavlovian Dog style. Anyhoo, if you actually counted up the number of men I had sex with before I met my husband, then yes, I suppose by our society's terms, I'd be a slut. And proud of it! Sex is wonderful, and as long as it is SAFE SEX and doesn't hurt anyone else ( for example, cheating is never okay, etc. etc.) then it is absolutely okay. Our bodies are meant for it. Not only that, but frankly I'm very glad I got to test drive some other "makes and models" before settling down with my "dream car", LOL.

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  • ZZZZZZ's Avatar
    Posted by ZZZZZZ Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:36am PDT

    All these words are just so relative AND subjective, as other posters have noted. Having seen a fine production of "The Vagina Monologues" (in London several years ago with Rula Lenska), I'm in the process of reclaiming the "c"-word (and have a "Cunning Stunt" badge to help me do it). (I also have a badge: "I'm not a b*tch. I am THE b*tch and it's Ms. B*tch to you" but the few times I've worn it I've had really hostile reactions from strangers, both female and male!) Still, after years of being cowed by that word, I now happily embrace it. Say it loud: I'm a b*tch and I'm proud!

    Interestingly, any words to describe a promiscuous male don't seem to carry the same negative weight as anything a sexually independent woman can be (and often is) called. So much for "equality"!

    Meanwhile, I remain amazed that in this age of HIV/AIDS and other STDs so many are having so much sex with so many.

    But then, I am an "old(er) married woman" (with a "past" and few regrets about it!) who strongly believes in physical and emotional fidelity. Call me a serial monogamist!

    I just don't understand people who make commitments and then try to "manipulate" them. A promise is a promise! Be your word! (And, if and when you change your mind about it, be honest and open enough to finish with one before frollicking with the next however many....)

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  • arman's Avatar
    Posted by arman Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:43pm PDT

    hi

    this very good and beautiful

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  • wildrose's Avatar
    Posted by wildrose Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:32am PDT

    Sienna Miller is not a slut, she is much worse. She carelessly and playfully seduced a married man. She broke a home, and the hearts of the wife, the children and extended family forever. A woman, or man for that matter, who does what she did, is what I consider to be evil. I would have sent her a different message...

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