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Tuesday, December 8, 2009

Did gender inequality play into the fall of Hillary?

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Jeff Fusco/Getty Images for MTV


A New York Times article yesterday tackles the subject of whether or not Hillary Clinton's now ailing bid for the presidency represents one giant step for women, or one elephant in the room example of how far American feminism still has to go. Especially to many Baby Boomers who have lived through more gender inequality in the workplace than some younger generations can shake a fist at (or would even bother to), her candidacy represented strides in the idea of a woman shattering one big glass ceiling and harnessing the top spot in the oldest boy's club of all.

According to the article, “Women felt this was their time, and this has been stolen from them,” said Marilu Sochor, 48, a real estate agent in Columbus, Ohio, and a Clinton supporter. “Sexism has played a really big role in the race.”

But here's the another side of the coin:

“When people look at the arc of the campaign, it will be seen that being a woman, in the end, was not a detriment and if anything it was a help to her,” the presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin said in an interview. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign is faltering, she added, because of “strategic, tactical things that have nothing to do with her being a woman.”

Of course, no matter what anyone says, you can't deny that she's probably the first potential presidential candidate who was criticized for her wrinkles (thank you Rush Limbaugh), her clothes or her "bitchy" attitude. But to be fair, I think we can all agree that the other candidate, Mr. Obama, has his own discriminatory issues to deal with, no? But at the end of the day, as one woman quoted in the article stated, “He still looks more like every other president we’ve ever had than she does.”

What do you think? Do you think national sexism worked against Hillary Clinton? Or is she simply the inferior candidate?
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  • Beth's Avatar
    Posted by Beth Tue May 20, 2008 8:24am PDT

    I think it has both worked for and against her. My friend who listens to some republican radio was saying that the Republicans want her to win because they think that McCain will have a better chance of winning if she is the running mate, mainly because she is a woman. But then the other side is that everyone is on the edge of their seat because this is history in the making, and even though it's more entertaining and contriversial to have a woman in the office than an african-american male, people still don't like to leave a certain comfort zone so they may feel more comfortable with a man in the big seat. In the long run, I think it has helped her for the most part and she wouldn't be still in this race if she wasn't an outspoken proud woman. I admire her for the balls she has.

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  • PORKCHOP's Avatar
    Posted by PORKCHOP Tue May 20, 2008 8:46am PDT

    Of course it did. Just as racial bias will not allow Obama to become president. There is no way a woman or a man of color(any color, black, green, purple) will win over a white war hero and we all know it. It's a sad state of being, but it's reality, still, in this day and age.

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  • Beth's Avatar
    Posted by Beth Tue May 20, 2008 9:27am PDT

    Hmm I don't know, I think people who think like that just might be worse than the sexism. People who say "it doesn't matter anyway because they won't win", sometimes a little optimism can go a long way. The other day while waiting at the bus stop I witnessed two young men (one white, one black) walking around with an Obama sign chanting, "vote for obama, end the drama." Their chanting was met by another guy who was at the bus stop and was african american by chanting, "vote for McCain." Then when the Obama supporters moved onto a different location, the McCain supporter was talking with some other people and basically saying he was supporting McCain because he didn't think Obama had a chance. To me, that just seems a bit worse than flat out sexism or racism because it not only supports that way of thinking...but it's also against your own people. A little optimism can go a long way sometimes, even if you get knocked right back down it's important to keep on chugging. Just look at the last election compared to this years, alot of people worked hard to get Bush out of office but we got shot down. Even with that behind us, it seems people are even more passionate about who is going into the white house. They are more aware of the candidates than ever.

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  • fools_and_sages's Avatar
    Posted by fools_and_sages Tue May 20, 2008 9:33am PDT

    While I am a Hillary Clinton supporter and I have contributed to her campaign, I don't think sexism was rampant in this primary process as as former VP-candidate Geraldine Ferraro has asserted. However, I do think Obama was coddled and Clinton was put on the spot much more often than he was in the debates.

    The debates were highly biased and seemingly structured to benefit Obama. I watched 3 of the debates-- so I can only speak about what I saw in those. However, I saw moderators who gave Clinton the questions first. She would outline her plan in a way average people could understand. Then the question would be turned over to Obama and he would simply echo her plan in more general terms. Nothing like spoon-feeding Obama his answers. In the commentary after the debates, the pundits would rave about Obama and claim he had better ideas while failing to note that his entire platform was predicated on the platform Clinton put together nearly a year before he got into the race. Nobody ever called Obama out for pirating his entire platform and nobody ever gave Clinton credit for formulating her platform (and the one Obama pirated) on her own. Obama is running on Clinton's ideas. And the fact that nobody has called him out for it disturbs me greatly.

    The Clinton campaign also made some huge blunders. First, they relied on old money for their funding in the primaries, disregarding the fact that there was a cap on how much these wealthy donors can contribute to a primary campaign.

    Second, Clinton's main constituency of supporters consist of the working class, the elderly, and the poor-- all of whom don't necessarily have money to give to political causes and many of whom work two jobs or have frail health and can't show up for caucuses. This led directly to the lead Obama built in caucus states.

    Third, Clinton's campaign management staff failed to realize that the Democratic Party awards delegates proportionally in the primary process-- if Clinton gets 53% of the vote, then she gets 53% of the delegates, not all of them. This misunderstanding of the rules led the Clinton camp to focus on the big states, employing a strategy that would be sound for the general election (where winning by 1% of the vote would give the candidate all of the electoral votes) but very unsound for the primaries (where winning by 1% of the vote might get you one more delegate than your opponent).

    All of these failures in tactics and strategy contributed directly to Clinton's fall from front-runner status and may carry more blame than sexism.

    All this being said, however, Clinton won the big states-- the ones a presidential candidate has to win to get into the White House. Secondly, she has broader appeal because the majority of Americans have voted for her (she won California, New York, and the actual voting in Texas and those states have highest populations in the US). Obama has won only in states where there are large numbers of blacks and college-educated democrats. He has little to no appeal among the elderly, the working class, the poor, or the Hispanic population.

    In the end, I do not think either Clinton or Obama can win the general election without the other as their running mate. Hillary Clinton needs Barak Obama because he appeals to younger voters and blacks-- two sectors she has not done well with. Barak Obama needs Hillary Clinton to win over the working class, the poor, and the elderly-- the sectors of the population he fails to attract.

    The sad part of all of this is that we could be sitting here the day after the November election asking ourselves if racism cost Obama the presidency. Several news networks and political pundits have cited polls that suggest many people among the working class, the elderly, and poor may not vote for Obama simply because he's black. So, apparently, the majority of democratic voters are more comfortable with a white woman than a black man in the White House. While this isn't "right", it's a statistical "fact" that the Democratic National Party is going to have to consider along with who won the Big States before it hands the nomination to anybody.

    So, unless Clinton concedes, this isn't over yet. And if she shows well in Kentucky, Oregon, and the states left to vote in early June, she has a good argument to push for the seating of the Michigan and Florida delegates or push for new primaries in those states. So. . .hold on to your seats because this may get messy as messy as the Gore-Bush issue did in Florida.

    Funny how Florida keeps rearing it's head as a major sticking point in the democratic process in US politics and a Bush is governor of Florida, huh?

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  • 'Tana's Avatar
    Posted by 'Tana Tue May 20, 2008 10:37am PDT

    Hilary being a woman has nothing to do with my reasons for not wanting her to win. I just don't like what she has to say and I frankly don't believe her, either. It's like she's lying through her teeth with a big fat smile on her face, and everyone laps it up because she's a woman running for president.

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  • fools_and_sages's Avatar
    Posted by fools_and_sages Tue May 20, 2008 10:55am PDT

    And Obama sitting in front of millions of people in tv during a debate, stating that he would renegotiate NAFTA when he has left a paper trail that demonstrates an agreement he made with Canada that specifically indicates he WILL NOT renegotiate NAFTA isn't a big lie?

    Honestly- what could hurt the American people more-- Clinton lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia ten years ago or Obama offering up hope for change when he has at least one secret agreement in place that says he's not going to change anything? How many more of these agreements has he made that we don't know about.

    I'd rather take my chances with Clinton. At least we know who her connections are and most of her dirty laundry has been aired already. And no politician is completely trustworthy or honest. I'd rather not have to worry about a complete unknown.

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  • Beege's Avatar
    Posted by Beege Tue May 20, 2008 11:08am PDT

    Racism and sexism will win in the end. Somewhere Karl Rove is getting the campaign ready. There will be the kind of propaganda that sunk Kerry. Something like the Swift Boat strategy of 04. Obama will be trashed by a drum beat of commercials featuring the ex preacher of Obama and plays (Osama)on his name, substituting a well known Arabic name. Rumors will be spread about his time in Indonesia. People are reluctant to speak of their racism to poll takers. I call it the Bradley Effect. A few years back the Mayor of Los Angeles - the late Tom Bradley - who had been elected three times to the mayorship and had been a huge success, notably with the best run Olympics ever - ran for governor. All the polls said Bradley would win, right up to election day. But the election went to Deukmejian. No one wanted to tell pollsters that they did not want a black Governor. But in the voting booth privacy they voted differently than what they told the pollsters.

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  • RCSwope's Avatar
    Posted by RCSwope Tue May 20, 2008 12:29pm PDT

    This presidential race will answer the question: Are Americans racist, sexist, or agist? I'm proud of our country for not defaulting to the middle-aged white man.

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  • Karen P's Avatar
    Posted by Karen P Tue May 20, 2008 1:27pm PDT

    I'm afraid I agree with 'Tana. I would just love to have a woman as president, but not Hillary. I know a number of other women who feel the same, so I'm not sure how big a role sexism actually plays.

    I really hope this country is ready to elect a woman or a minority to the presidency... at least, I'd like to think we are... but both of our major political parties insist on running candidates that make me nervous. I don't like any of them. I have that feeling AGAIN that my choices are either bad or worse!

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  • YERI's Avatar
    Posted by YERI Tue May 20, 2008 2:22pm PDT

    I agree with both Tana and Karen P...a woman president? Definitely! but not Hillary, for reasons they have already explained. Of course there are sexist people in America, but it doesn't mean that all of America is sexist. If that were that case most women wouldn't have what we have today. If we're going to talk about sexism let's also talk about racism. I am a latina who to this day, still encounters discrimination, racism, and stereotype. Both Hillary and Obama are going through these hardships but what really counts is the strength in which they have shown throughout it all. I want to vote for a president who shows me that with all the negativity surrounding them, they can tough it out, not whine about it.

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