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Sunday, November 8, 2009

Is Chivalry A Dying Art?

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One of my vivid childhood memories took place on a soccer field. When I was four or so, the soccer leagues were co-ed. In those days there was no method to the madness for us fledgling players. The ball would move and we'd all follow it in a gigantic swarm rivaling biblical locusts, with no organization or strategy to score a goal.

In one game, as we followed the ball after it popped out of the mob, I noticed a little girl trailing behind us and saw that she had fallen down in the mud. I was faced with a choice: follow the ball toward our goal, or turn around and help the girl. No one had stopped to help her up, or acknowledge that she had fallen down. Furthermore, something about the mud all over her (even in her blonde hair), the fact that she was alone and she could have been hurt, compelled me to turn around and check on her.

On the sideline my coach implored me to worry about the girls later. The ball, by now, was way down near our goal. It was just the little girl and I on the other end of the field. I walked back to her and stuck out my hand and helped her out of the mud. I must have embarrassed her because her appreciative look was laced with a bit of defiance. This was my first conflicted moment with chivalry. I learned that she was perfectly capable of picking herself up out of the mud (thank you very much).

These days, I rarely get to be chivalrous. I am desperately trying to be "cool,"-- not too easy or too nice. Plus, I don't think I am well-trained for chivalry. One time, my Southern friend Margaret complimented me for "walking street-side," on our way home from work. She explained that men traditionally walk street side in case a "passing buggy splashes water onto the sidewalk." Chivalry in the South is taken to a whole other level.

I hate those street solicitors who ask me to donate to cause A, B, or C as I try to avoid them on the sidewalk. They punctuate it with a 10-minute spiel. As soon as I see someone with a clipboard, or a branded shirt, I zig-zag out of there. Little did Margaret know that I had gone "street-side" that day to put her in the line of fire of a street solicitor. Hey, when it comes to street solicitors it's every man (and woman) for themselves.


Horses and buggies aside, there are plenty of chances to be chivalrous on dates in NYC:


But there are reasons that guys avoid chivalry:

Don't Want To Look Too Nice. Guys are trying to find that sweet spot of nice but not too nice, while retaining little mystery. If we go out of our way all the time and wait on a girl hand and foot, we won't look attractive. Chivalry is great, but it's not special if it happens all the time.

Women's Rights. After her man holds the door and picks up her bags one too many times, a woman might be inclined to say: "hey I can do this myself." Doing too much for a woman can come off as condescending.

Don't Raise 'Em Like They Used To. Are younger men on board with chivalry? Because of society's shifting values, chivalry could be dying. You may see less of it in the street these days because there is less focus on educating young men about chivalry.

I practice "part-time chivalry." I'm much more of a gentleman at a fancy event like a wedding than I am when I am tumbling into a diner late night drunk at 4AM. But I wonder if I should be chivalrous the majority of the time.

I remember the warm fuzzy feeling I had when I helped the girl on the soccer field. I felt like I was doing the right thing. Things were much simpler then, but I bet most women want some chivalry in her life. I'm just not sure how much chivalry is optimal.

How much chivalry do you like in a relationship? Are there certain chivalrous acts that you really love, or that turn you off? Is there any charm to a guy that doesn't practice chivalry? Do you see much chivalry out there these days, or do you agree that it's a dying art?

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  • newageknight's Avatar
    Posted by newageknight Fri Jun 5, 2009 12:52pm PDT

    This is something I've struggled with for years. I was taught chivalry by a grandmother who had roots in the south and i consider it more a matter of being polite than anything else. However, because of my martial arts training I've had to try to find a fine line to walk (you practice chivalry in the dojo at your own peril because the women spar about 5 times harder). So I practice chivalry outside the dojo and respect at all times.

    One of the chivalry customs I don't follow though is standing when a woman enters the room or leaves the table. This is more a matter of practicality since in my house, I'd never sit down.

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  • Lucia's Avatar
    Posted by Lucia Sun Jun 7, 2009 7:58am PDT

    chivalry is not dead! it is absolutely welcomed! i think perhaps what is unwelcome is a pseudo-chivalry that is, in actuality, a power-play. a man that makes me feel special and cared-for is miles ahead of the caveman that puts on masculine display to show his prowess. so, open the door for me, let me walk in first...it'll give you a discreet opportunity to check out my tushie!

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  • Molly's Avatar
    Posted by Molly Sun Jun 7, 2009 4:35pm PDT

    I think it's all about balance. My first boyfriend never let me open a door, pay for anything, or carry anything. It got to the point that I felt like I couldn't do any of things in his mind. It got really annoying after about the couple of weeks. Don't get me wrong, I love a guy that knows the meaning of the word & knows how to act on them. Just don't over do it.

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  • keish's Avatar
    Posted by keish Sun Jun 7, 2009 11:06pm PDT

    I do believe it's dying! Parents aren't teaching their children good moral values anymore. Let the TV babysit and you get out of them what you put in them..trash. So sad, especially thanks to the women's rights movement for ruining it for us by 'showing the world we can do it on our own'. Pathetic! I DO like the chivalry..wherever it went! Too bad being rude is the new way some people think they are being cool.

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  • TMNT's Avatar
    Posted by TMNT Sun Jun 7, 2009 11:37pm PDT

    meh i try to be chivalrous...and wat i get is "i have my own hands to open the door thx yu very much" ......so i give up

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  • Ericka's Avatar
    Posted by Ericka Mon Jun 8, 2009 2:47am PDT

    I really don't get that at all. Sure we are capable, but if a man opens doors for you and takes you to dinner, it seems a good indication to me that he treasures you and has manners. I do not believe it means he doesn't think we can do for ourselves at all. I, for one, appreciate the consideration VERY much. My guy even knows the rule about hats indoors and at table. Even without that, he's a definite keeper.

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  • Ericka's Avatar
    Posted by Ericka Mon Jun 8, 2009 3:12am PDT

    goofy yahoo - one and a half posts, I would say double post, but...

    Anyway, I think everyone needs to lighten up and say thank you when someone tries to do something nice for you. THAT is also using your manners, ladies.

    :)

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  • Desiree's Avatar
    Posted by Desiree Mon Jun 8, 2009 5:18am PDT

    I'm on board with opening the door and letting her get in in front of you, but if either one of you is clumsy pulling out the chair could turn disastrous. I think what we have now could be called chivalry light. Rather than taking something she has to carry, offer to. She'll appreciate the kind gesture even if she doesn't want you to carry it for her, and you won't seem rude or condescending.

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  • Nose's Avatar
    Posted by Nose Mon Jun 8, 2009 5:18am PDT

    I rarely see it anymore except with men over 65. I find most men self-centered and have the manners of an chimpanzee. I know that the women's movement ruined a lot of men re chivalry, but it did good for women. When a man holds a door open for me, I so appreciate it and make a big deal out of telling him that. I love good manners. There for everyone, including women.

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  • Rebecca's Avatar
    Posted by Rebecca Mon Jun 8, 2009 5:19am PDT

    I disagree with your statement that chivalry is nice, but its not special if it happens all the time. Maybe its that the older I get the more important being treated like a woman is to me. I notice and appreciate everytime my boyfriend opens the car door for me, carries the grocery bags, and lets me go first....I would never think of telling him "I can do it myself". He can treat me like a lady anytime!

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