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Monday, December 7, 2009

Is Chivalry A Dying Art?

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One of my vivid childhood memories took place on a soccer field. When I was four or so, the soccer leagues were co-ed. In those days there was no method to the madness for us fledgling players. The ball would move and we'd all follow it in a gigantic swarm rivaling biblical locusts, with no organization or strategy to score a goal.

In one game, as we followed the ball after it popped out of the mob, I noticed a little girl trailing behind us and saw that she had fallen down in the mud. I was faced with a choice: follow the ball toward our goal, or turn around and help the girl. No one had stopped to help her up, or acknowledge that she had fallen down. Furthermore, something about the mud all over her (even in her blonde hair), the fact that she was alone and she could have been hurt, compelled me to turn around and check on her.

On the sideline my coach implored me to worry about the girls later. The ball, by now, was way down near our goal. It was just the little girl and I on the other end of the field. I walked back to her and stuck out my hand and helped her out of the mud. I must have embarrassed her because her appreciative look was laced with a bit of defiance. This was my first conflicted moment with chivalry. I learned that she was perfectly capable of picking herself up out of the mud (thank you very much).

These days, I rarely get to be chivalrous. I am desperately trying to be "cool,"-- not too easy or too nice. Plus, I don't think I am well-trained for chivalry. One time, my Southern friend Margaret complimented me for "walking street-side," on our way home from work. She explained that men traditionally walk street side in case a "passing buggy splashes water onto the sidewalk." Chivalry in the South is taken to a whole other level.

I hate those street solicitors who ask me to donate to cause A, B, or C as I try to avoid them on the sidewalk. They punctuate it with a 10-minute spiel. As soon as I see someone with a clipboard, or a branded shirt, I zig-zag out of there. Little did Margaret know that I had gone "street-side" that day to put her in the line of fire of a street solicitor. Hey, when it comes to street solicitors it's every man (and woman) for themselves.


Horses and buggies aside, there are plenty of chances to be chivalrous on dates in NYC:


But there are reasons that guys avoid chivalry:

Don't Want To Look Too Nice. Guys are trying to find that sweet spot of nice but not too nice, while retaining little mystery. If we go out of our way all the time and wait on a girl hand and foot, we won't look attractive. Chivalry is great, but it's not special if it happens all the time.

Women's Rights. After her man holds the door and picks up her bags one too many times, a woman might be inclined to say: "hey I can do this myself." Doing too much for a woman can come off as condescending.

Don't Raise 'Em Like They Used To. Are younger men on board with chivalry? Because of society's shifting values, chivalry could be dying. You may see less of it in the street these days because there is less focus on educating young men about chivalry.

I practice "part-time chivalry." I'm much more of a gentleman at a fancy event like a wedding than I am when I am tumbling into a diner late night drunk at 4AM. But I wonder if I should be chivalrous the majority of the time.

I remember the warm fuzzy feeling I had when I helped the girl on the soccer field. I felt like I was doing the right thing. Things were much simpler then, but I bet most women want some chivalry in her life. I'm just not sure how much chivalry is optimal.

How much chivalry do you like in a relationship? Are there certain chivalrous acts that you really love, or that turn you off? Is there any charm to a guy that doesn't practice chivalry? Do you see much chivalry out there these days, or do you agree that it's a dying art?

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  • Aj's Avatar
    Posted by Aj Mon Jun 8, 2009 5:55am PDT

    I love chivalry but I like a man to know a balance...He can open all my doors,help me with groceries,pick up my bag,pay for most of my meals, as long as he does not get mad when sometimes I may do those things for myself!

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  • Time_Traveller's Avatar
    Posted by Time_Traveller Mon Jun 8, 2009 6:38am PDT

    Hehe, I've been called names for holding doors.. and those names weren't pretty ones, either.

    However, I'm a slow learner, I still hold doors when I see someone coming, I'll let a lady go first and so on.

    Incidentally, nobody should be afraid of holding a chair, nor should ladies fear a chair being held for them: it really can't go wrong, except on purpose.

    The way I see it, chivalry (good manners, actually) is like a smile that one gives a passer-by, nothing important but it may make their day a little sunnier.

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  • raul63's Avatar
    Posted by raul63 Mon Jun 8, 2009 6:41am PDT

    I believe its dying out cause alot of women take advantage of it. Parents dont teach their kids manners anymore, this goes both ways cause alot of ladys think if you hold the door for themm at a store you tryiny to pick on them.All your trying to do is be nice so in part chivalry is being put in check.I still do it cause if you dont practice dont expect it.

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  • springtime's Avatar
    Posted by springtime Mon Jun 8, 2009 7:38am PDT

    One day I was struggling in a parking lot to maneuver a rather large box into my small sports car. A man graciously came over and helped. That, to me, is chivalry. I am in the South and do see men walking street side when with a woman. If a guy holds the door for me, I always thank him and appreciate that gesture. My guy always holds the door for me to enter first.

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  • Nikki's Avatar
    Posted by Nikki Mon Jun 8, 2009 8:03am PDT

    OMG yes it is.. instead of a guy opening a car door for a girl they are basically saying - 'get your ass in the car im in a rush' - with their actions

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  • Mona's Avatar
    Posted by Mona Mon Jun 8, 2009 8:15am PDT

    I can tell alot about a man immediately when walking with him. Whether he is on the inside or outside of the street side tells me he is or is not a gentleman. When they take the outside, it is a protective stance. I am impressed by that because they respect and care enough to "guard" you.

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  • Katie B's Avatar
    Posted by Katie B Mon Jun 8, 2009 8:45am PDT

    Personally I LOVE it when my husband opens doors for me and letting me go first... And as archaic as this may sound, to me it tells me that he respects and loves me enough to want to protect me. Not that I can't protect myself and I am VERY independant, but it just shows me how HE feels about me.

    I know some women find it condescending, but don't get discouraged, there are those of us that find it as a token of respect.

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  • ElvisLovesMe's Avatar
    Posted by ElvisLovesMe Mon Jun 8, 2009 8:57am PDT

    I appreciate it when men open doors for me, or pull out chairs, offer to carry my heavy load, give me their jacket if I'm cold... It's polite, and I am polite enough to thank them. If you do something nice and you don't get a gracious response, you don't have to stoop to her (or his!) level. Be comfortable in the knowledge that YOU are polite even if THEY aren't. And if you find yourself being less and less the recipient of those sorts of gestures then you should probably take a clear look at the politeness of your response to them.

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  • Michelle's Avatar
    Posted by Michelle Mon Jun 8, 2009 9:07am PDT

    When I was *ahem* younger, I was often offended by the 'chivalrous' gestures made by the men/boys around me. In most cases they were power plays or attempts to get my number. I am, by nature (as well as by upbringing), a very independent person and am used to doing most if not all things myself. I felt these guys thought I was just another female incapable of thinking or doing things for myself.

    As I have grown older, I have come to realize that the more I am treated (and act) like a lady, the more respected and appreciated I feel as a woman - this includes chivalrous gestures. I like being treated like a lady. I enjoy it. I appreciate the fact that a man opens a door for me, helps me with my packages, pulls out my chair for me, walks streetside, etc. It does not demean or degrade me in any way. It is simply a gesture of respect for me as another human not just as a woman.

    I used to ignore these gestures and open my own door or tell him to go ahead. To all of those men who were trying to show me genuine courtesy, I apologize wholeheartedly and hope that even with the ungreatful behavior displayed by most us nowadays that you have all continued to attempt to be true gentlemen. After all how many times have I held open a door or offered to assist another person? How is it any different?

    I do believe that it is a dying art and most parents these days don't teach their children the value of other human beings. We can all learn a lesson from the 6 year old holding the door open for us at McDonald's, it is nice just to be nice. Maybe if we all were even just a little nicer to each other with simple gestures like these more people would have smiles on their faces instead of the scowls I usually see.

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  • *CAT*'s Avatar
    Posted by *CAT* Mon Jun 8, 2009 9:31am PDT

    geez. Im odd, because it is I who open doors for everyone, regardless of age, gender. It is I who say yes sir, and ma'am. I just beleive in giving out respect. One day it will reward me. (hopefully)

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