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Saturday, November 28, 2009

Is feminism moving backward?

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Lately, the word "sexist" has been tossed around more than a squealing teenaged girl at cheerleading camp, and it seems everyone has a different definition of what it entails, (both in practice and philosophy). Is it envisioning a certain female political candidate in a star-spangled bikini, or deliberately refraining from asking her the "hard" questions because she's a girl? Is it standing up for stricter abortion laws because that's what some women believe in, or passionately fighting for the right to choose? These questions inevitably bring us to the underlying tension: What does feminism, in the western world at least, mean these days? And is it, as some would argue, propelling today's women backward?

Now that legal and institutional changes have been made, and the social liberation of the '60s and '70s is done with, what's left? Maybe women no longer feel crippled by the pressure to stay home and clean, but sexual objectification certainly hasn't gone out of style. However, to toss off the idea that feminism is "dead" isn't quite right, either. Plenty of women will tell you they consider themselves "feminists," but ask them what they mean by that and there's usually not a pat answer because after all, it's complicated. For some, the very idea conjures up images of the stereotypically threatening militant type who eats men for lunch, and few want to align themselves with extremists. Most seem to identify as feminist because it entails most simply, the idea of equality. We want to have the same rights as men do, which means equal pay, a workplace free from sexual harassment, owning one's own body, sexual freedom, the right to vote and all the other liberties we sometimes take for granted simply because we were born after certain pioneers ensured this would be the case. And that has some older women fuming. Because one look at grown ladies writhing around on bar counters wearing sparkly pink mini-skirts in the name of "feminism" (they're doing it because it's their equal right, see?), and some of these earlier feminists rightly ask themselves, "Where did we go wrong?"

There's a great interview with a male champion of women, Simon Doonan, in The Guardian this week where he talks about fashion and feminism (see Jennifer Romolini's post in Fashion and Beauty). What really caught my attention was this excerpt where he reflects on the state of women's lib then and now:

American women are something of a concern for Doonan. He bemoans the rise of "porno chic" and notes that there is "a lot of conformity, a lot of blonde hair ... I often wonder if feminism was just a dream. I can't believe how women feel so scrutinized, and they're still so self-critical - I thought they would have let go of that now but they haven't. There's a very masochistic thing with women now that I didn't used to see. My girl friends in the punk era weren't like that at all." He looks slightly forlorn. "You know, at least once a week someone calls me up and says, 'Don't you think it's terrible when fat girls have muffin tops over their jeans?' And I say,'Not if they're happy.' Who cares?"--The Guardian

It's true. The modern girl's self-esteem seems to be a state of crisis tantamount to Wall Street's; (are we experiencing a recession of female empowerment?). And then there's the idea of "us" against "them." We've all encountered certain circles of women that consider themselves true feminists for various ideological reasons and even superficial ones, such as they refuse to wear makeup or ever conform to fashion trends and only date a certain type of man, etc. These ladies seem to resent the girlier girls, and aren't afraid to express their satisfaction and impose judgment upon them. To me, this smugly delivered reverse snobbery is not only damaging to the idea of what it means to be a feminist, it's also just downright un-sisterly, not to mention rude. Does an interest in this season's hemlines automatically make you some kind of '50s housewife who is setting us all back? I guess it depends on who you ask. Again, the line is blurry.

Still, you have to agree that after all the tireless work done to shed traditional gender roles, sometimes it does feel like we're slipping. (The very existence of that frightening book The Rules is just one example that pops into my head, and a more serious and highly consequential one is that abortion rights are under attack, which I'll probably rant about in a post coming to a Love/Sex channel near you.) On the other hand, maybe in most cases, women adhering to certain roles that feel comfortable to them really is just part of being authentic--which is precisely what early feminists fought for in the first place. (And let's just hope they're not automatically ascribing to them because of what some patriarchy has set forth.) Some women are indeed saying, "You know what, I don't feel like I do have to do it all just to prove something. In fact, I'm not going to work during the first few years of my child's life and I think that will be the best decision for both of us," and that takes courage, too.

I suppose I could go on and on, but such a topic demands more than a blog post, and at this point, what I'd really like to do is take the temperature here on Shine and hear from you. What does feminism mean to you? Do you consider yourself to be one? Especially, to the ladies who've been around longer to see some major generational differences, what's your take on all this?
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  • vampyriccadence's Avatar
    Posted by vampyriccadence Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:39pm PDT

    I'm glad that you mentioned the way certain feminists treat other women who don't have the same ideals. It seems ironic that these women who are fighting for equality in a sense turn on each other.

    I'm perfectly happy staying at home and taking care of the household. And if other women feel differently about their lives then I support them. It's important that we accept each other for who we are and not try and force unrealistic ideals on each other.

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  • biscuiteater's Avatar
    Posted by biscuiteater Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:50pm PDT

    I consider myself to be a feminist, and the main reason why, is I in now way consider myself inferior to a man or incapable of understanding the intellectual pursuits of one. That is not THE definition, it is MY definition. I think the general definition is a sense of empowerment over the direction of your own life. If you want to stay home, stay home, you are no less a feminist because of it. If you want to dress sexy, you are no less a feminist. If you want to act like an idiot or not be who you essentially are to attract a man, while that is certainly your prerogative, that is where a lack of feminism starts to come into play. I think real feminism stems from feeling empowered to be yourself. Not dumbing yourself down to not be intimidating, not catering to someone else's vision of who you are, and not batting your eyelashes to get what you want.

    I do feel as though it is extremely sexist of the McCain campaign to ask the media to pander to Palin because she is a woman. If you want to be seriously considered for such a potentially important office, you need to be able to answer the tough questions. Is she going to ask foreign heads of state to not be mean to her because she is female, and then refuse to meet with them if they act assertively? I would certainly hope not. She is going to be dealing with cultures in parts of the world where women are regarded as property and not fit for politics, and she will be confirming those beliefs by asking for them to go gentle on her. I am pretty sure the media did not take it easy on Hillary Clinton or Geraldine Ferarro. None of the women that are in positions of political power in Washington got there because they were MILFs who were afraid to be asked hard questions. She is a slap in the face of progress for women everywhere. Sorry, but I had to say it, not because of her political views, but because she is a joke compared to most of the women who have worked so hard and played hardball with the boys to get to where they are. If she can take on the "ol' boys network", she should be able to field an honest question about experience and foreign policy. Those questions are no harder than the ones the male candidates have been asked. When it comes to her family, if she wishes to not answer the question, she can politely decline and ask for a real question, one that the answer will actually attest to whether she can truly perform the duties of the position she has been asked to fill.

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  • ladybella04's Avatar
    Posted by ladybella04 Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:20pm PDT

    I think of myself as a feminist, but I've been struggling to define what that really means. I also have found myself wondering if some of the "empowerment" that is in pop culture is really just another form of degradation/objectification in disguise.

    There are a lot of different ways to define feminism. Just like any other political group, there are liberal, conservative and middle of the road definitions of what it means to empower women. Some feminists are pro-sex worker, and lobby for their rights. Others are against any form of porn or sex work and lobby against it. Some believe that it's never ok to give up your career for your family, while others believe that it's ok to compromise.

    Personally, I believe that feminism is mostly about giving women the same rights and respect that men have. It means allowing women to be individuals and respecting the choices they make, even if you wouldn't make that choice yourself. I think it also means letting go of old archetypes and stereotypes about the "feminine mystique" and embracing newer, more modern feminine ideals and role models.

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  • Savannah's Avatar
    Posted by Savannah Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:05pm PDT

    i think of myself as a feminist , i have pride in my self and will let no man tell me otherwise. why should a women ever feel less human or capable that a man?

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  • Maria's Avatar
    Posted by Maria Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:18pm PDT

    I think that the only people who are holding us back are ourselves. If we don't have enough confidence to think of ourselves as equals, then we are our own worst enemies. These days, we can do everything men can do and sometimes a hell of a lot better. The problem is, there are still women who don't believe that they can. And as far as girls wiggling on bars wearing mini skirts... well, no one's forcing them to do that. If they feel empowered instead of objectified, more power to them. Sometimes girls do that sort of thing not because they are insecure, but because they want to have the freedom of expressing their sexuality. It all has to do with your point of view.

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  • Anna's Avatar
    Posted by Anna Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:41pm PDT

    Women are better at some things than men, and men are better some things than women. We are not the same, but are equally important. End of story.

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  • bear's Avatar
    Posted by bear Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:00pm PDT

    y is it that when you do something for somebody they don't give you what you want???? i have yet to understand that. love is something that you should make with you partner and you should try harder and make that decision. but why do most women make there man wait for so long?? who can answer this for me??

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  • KristaB's Avatar
    Posted by KristaB Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:31pm PDT

    ..."A feminist is anyone who recognizes the equality and full humanity of women and men."

    - Gloria Steinem...it is that simple...the minute we begin to question what we do with our lives as women is the minute we lose the power within ourselves...we must do nothing but live strongly proudly and honestly...and pass on tolerance and love to our sons and daughters...to be a feminist is to love humanity and treat every human as an equal...to do anything otherwise is to be no better than the people who have tried to oppress us...

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  • FakeDogHairCoat's Avatar
    Posted by FakeDogHairCoat Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:02pm PDT

    I watch feminism slip away as professional women stay home with their kids, starting or participating in blogs about the joys of mommyhood - yeah there's joy no doubt, but ladies you are more than your womb for chrissakes. And the media helps reduce us to baby machines, tracking baby bumps, speculating on why powerful single celebrities (jennifer aniston..?) aren't having babies, or dubbing the rise of twin births in celebrities over 40 a 'trend'.

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  • Chainey A's Avatar
    Posted by Chainey A Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:38am PDT

    I consider myself a feminist. I am a female in the U.S. Millitary, with one child and another on the way, a (very masculin) husband who gives me emotional support and will stand beside me no matter what (and is also willing to be a stay at home dad), and a chain of command (all male, by the way) who support me and my pregnancy but also expect 110% from me every time we're on duty and treat me no diferently because I'm female and/or pregnant. I'm very proud to work alongside the men I work with and consider myself very lucky, becuase I still see exampels in the civilian world and workplace where women are viewed as less competent, less productive (especially if they have children), sex objects. This dissapoints me. A lot. I still see men (in the media and in the real world) who think that if a woman is attractive she's nothing but a 'slut' and the only thing she's worthy of doing is laying on her back (and if it's not for him, that obviously makes her a stuck up b**ch as well). Granted, this the manority that think this way still. But it's still seen, and women can work as hard as they want, bang ther heads against brick walls, and even burn their bras. But unless men (not all, just some, and the same goes for some women) change there attatues it won't do anything but give soar heads and ruined undies. As women, we've come a long way. I feel that as a female in the millitary I'm an example of that. Men have also come a long way, sometimes more than women, I think, as far as attitudes and opinions. I think the thing that makes me a feminist is my idea of equality and diversity. We have equal rights. Yes there are some things that men can do that women can't. They should be respected for that. There are things that women can do that men can't. We as women should be respected for that. Who but women can bring life into the world? Who but a woman can bring a man to his knees with desire? FEMALE, the idea, the gender, the BEing, is a powerfull thing. Is Female not more than Male? I think, yes. But is Male not just as powerfull? Without one the other can not be. To be a feminist, for me, is to see the power that we hold as women AND the power that men hold as men. To value and respect the differences AND the equality. I know this is a lot of ramblin' on, but it's how I see things. And to everyone else who has posted so far - Amen. Every one of you has made a good point.

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