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Monday, December 7, 2009

The Difference Between "Men" and "Guys"

A recent New York Times Modern Love column—"Forget the Men, Pick a Guy"—explores a quandary many of us ladies face in the post-collegiate dating scene.

Do we date Door no. 1, the fun (if not entirely responsible) guy. Or Door no. 2, the settled, respectable (if not a bit boring) man. Dating A Rich Guy: More Important Than You Think

Exciting guy. Dull man. That is the question? Really? Is it that black and white? We don't think so, but writer Catherine Calbert certainly does and tells us within the first sentence which she prefers.

I've never liked men. I like guys. Guys are often in between things like jobs and houses, which means they're more likely to stay up with you all night, drinking wine and playing gin rummy. They'll rub your belly. They'll lick chocolate off it. They'll like your cute little dog. A guy is never going to shoot Old Yeller in the woods.

Along with not being tied down by big-boy jobs, Calbert goes on to say guys dress better then men ("Guys wear the kind of clothes they wore as boys even when their hair silvers: cool jeans and baseball jackets coupled with stupid T-shirts boasting faded logos from exotic locales. Men like innocuous dress shirts or pastel polos with colors as nauseating as chewable Tums."). The Dos And Don'ts Of Traveling As A Couple

Guys are down for therapy, men not so much. Guys aren't afraid to "wallow in confusion" where men are decisive and emotionally closed, which she admits has its upsides.

I want the E.M.T.'s who show up when I've collapsed to be men, not guys. I don't want someone responsible for saving my life to be torn up about the death of his dog or how some chick hurt his feelings.

Calbert's father was a man, not a guy. He would grumble home, bottled up with manly angst, and the family would scatter in his wake. If he were alive today, Calbert doesn't think he would approve of her "feminist, atheist, poet" lifestyle. In fact, many of the professors she works with at Rhode Island College are guys not men. She likes the "surprise and fire in their eyes" and their "eagerness and curiosity."

While we'll meet Calbert halfway and certainly agree we like emotionally available men who are curious and sensitive, but if we can't trust those types to (perhaps metaphorically) save our lives, why would we want to marry them?

Isn't there a hybrid who isn't "in between jobs and houses" but still wants to lick chocolate off our stomachs? Couldn't he have the laser-eyed diligence of an E.M.T. but the freewheeling manboy spontaneity to embark on a road trip and cry about his dead dog?

We'd like to think so, but perhaps we're just naive.

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Written by Melissa Noble for YourTango.com.

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  • native sunshine's Avatar
    Posted by native sunshine Thu Oct 8, 2009 1:00pm PDT

    That is a hard one... I want both!! I am married to a man..But my lover is a guy!!:)

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  • AlonaG's Avatar
    Posted by AlonaG Thu Oct 8, 2009 4:44pm PDT

    What bull. My boyfriend has a steady job with good pay, his own (nicely decorated!) living space, and cooks and takes care of himself just fine- he's also 23 and loves to party, have fun with me (in multiple ways) and have cool semi-spontaneous vacations. But he's responsible enough to have priorities and I don't have to live with the drama of worrying about his instability all the time. It's absolutely possible for a "guy" to be a responsible "man" as well- my boyfriend is certainly both fun and reliable, or "settled"- which doesn't mean we can't take a vacation to Thailand randomly!

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  • Jonny's Avatar
    Posted by Jonny Thu Oct 8, 2009 4:57pm PDT

    I'm definitely a guy. My dad is a man. I wonder if life beats you into a man or what? I heard someone once say that a man is someone who is responsible for the lives of other people, so the EMT example may be applicable.

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  • T-von's Avatar
    Posted by T-von Thu Oct 8, 2009 11:08pm PDT

    According to this article, i am definitely a guy. I like to have fun, with or without my girl. (I'm not a cheater for those who are thinking it.) If not with my girl, then with my friends.

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  • KittyKat's Avatar
    Posted by KittyKat Fri Oct 9, 2009 4:01am PDT

    My bf's a man.

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  • None's Avatar
    Posted by None Fri Oct 9, 2009 5:57am PDT

    Seriously? That's all you want in life some drunk, guy who stays up all night doing nothing and jobless? I rather have a MAN, hate pretty boys and immature guys, LOVE to laugh and you can act like a dork, but priorities are important, I got my life together, so should you especially at 25.

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  • None's Avatar
    Posted by None Fri Oct 9, 2009 5:58am PDT

    Agree with "AlonaG"

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  • Marinamey's Avatar
    Posted by Marinamey Fri Oct 9, 2009 7:04am PDT

    Wrong labels in my opinion. It should be men versus immature boys.

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  • Mars Venus Coach's Avatar
    Posted by Mars Venus Coach Fri Oct 9, 2009 7:18am PDT

    Every man has the potential to be a 'fun guy'!

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  • nycgoofygal's Avatar
    Posted by nycgoofygal Fri Oct 9, 2009 7:21am PDT

    I read that NYT article, and I didn't agree with the split. A dude can be both a man AND a guy--those are the best kind!

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