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    What Size Are You, Really? The Truth Behind Vanity Sizing

    ThinkstockThinkstockAre you a size four, six, eight-or all of the above? Learn why most American clothing sizes are meaningless.

    Like most new moms, Erin Correale wants to whip her wardrobe back into shape.

    Correale has it easier than most. At 38, she's within 10 pounds of the weight she's been since her teenage years. But her clothing size isn't.

    "I wear a size two in Ann Taylor, a four in Banana Republic, a six in Old Navy, a four at Coldwater Creek and a friend told me about Chico's, but told me I would have to look at a size zero," she says. "I never like size zero-it's encouraging people to be waifs. That doesn't make me feel good."

    Sizes zero, two, four and six all for one woman? Is Correale lost in the looking glass, growing and shrinking at every turn like Alice, or is there something seriously askew with the sizing of clothing?

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    It's no mistake. The American apparel industry has created an intentional system of "Vanity Sizing." The increasing use of the smaller sizes-a size 12 in 1970 is now in the size four-six-eight range-is meant to make consumers feel better about buying clothing.

    Standards-or Lack Thereof

    When it comes to sizing, there are no universal standards. A woman with a traditional hourglass figure with 36-24-36 measurements can wear anything from a size zero to a size ten, depending on the brand and whether it's sold at the designer, contemporary, junior, bridge or mass level.

    The only standard that does exist is to con the buyer into believing she's smaller. Over time, sizes are getting roomier, allowing women to believe they can still squeeze into a more desirable size two, four, six or even eight.

    "At this point, sizes are meaningless. They're more relative than anything else," Bill Ivers, chief operating officer of MSA Models told YouBeauty. His agency specializes in providing fit models for designers and brands.

    "Sizes are not standard by design," he explained. "It helps brands be unique and offer an edge over the competition. Brands are looking for brand loyalty and if last season you were an eight and this season you're a size six, that's a sales tool. We all look to apparel to make us look good, feel comfortable and confident."

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    Even celebrities fall victim to the need for vanity sizing.

    One actress cold-called Robert Verdi, style director at FirstComesFashion.com and a celebrity stylist who regularly works with stars like Eva Longoria and Kathy Griffin, and asked him to wardrobe her for multiple appearances during an awards season.

    Her publicist said the actress was a size 12, and because they were working on a quick turnaround of less than three weeks, Verdi couldn't ask designers to make anything custom, so had to rely on pieces designers had in stock.

    "We looked at pictures of this woman and I called her publicist back and asked her, is she really a size 12?" he told YouBeauty. "The publicist insisted she was a 12."

    When Verdi and his team packed the dresses up for the trip to Los Angeles, "we snuck in some 14s, 16s and even some 18s."

    Though Verdi told the actress that everything was a "size 12," the actress "wasn't happy," he said. She ultimately wore several of his picks, but one of the dresses was altered to fit by making it six-to-eight inches shorter. The fabric was then added as a panel on the back of the dress so the "size 12" would fit.

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    "She didn't want to be bigger than that in her head. A number means so much to so many people," he added. That's really too bad since the numbers are pretty much meaningless and there are no standards in place.

    This lack of sizing standards wasn't always the case.

    Until January 20, 1983, the U.S. Department of Commerce and the National Institute of Standards and Technology offered specifics for the sizing of apparel with body measurements for men, women, junior women, young men and children. These standards began in the late 1940s as a byproduct of the necessity for size-standardization in military uniforms during World War Two. Committees that included textile manufacturers, designers and retailers worked with the Department of Agriculture to determine these sizing standards and all adhered to it.

    The program was discontinued in 1983. The measurements were not keeping up with the typical American body, which was changing due to better medicine and nutrition, along with an influx of new and varied ethnic groups. Sponsorship of these standards was assumed by private industry. That marked the start of sizing's new Wild West, a lawless, volatile environment that continues today.

    An End in Sight?

    "Each designer has their own vision of what they imagine as the ideal person to wear their clothing," explained Tanya Shaw to YouBeauty. "Designers will hold true to what they believe."

    Shaw is the founder and president of MyBestFit, a sizing system that scans your body for about 10 seconds and then provides you with sizing recommendations for styles from over 30 brands like the Gap, Old Navy, Talbots and J Brand.

    MORE: Our reporter tries out MyBestFit

    "We help customers decode sizing and that makes shopping as simple as uniformity," she explained. "We should find clothes that fit our bodies, not sizes we like to hear."

    The company currently operates one scanner at the King of Prussia Mall in the suburbs of Philadelphia, PA, but will be adding 45 more locations in fall 2011. Though a Personal Shopping Guide from MyBestFit in King of Prussia will only provide resources that are in that mall, you can enter your identifying code on the company's web site to find what other sizes and brands will fit you when shopping at another location or online.

    "When you cut the confusion out, consumers buy more," Shaw said. "They have told us the conversion rate [from shopper to buyer] of 100 customers is normally 20 percent. With MyBestFit, in some cases, it's as high as 90 percent. Imagine if you went into a fitting room and it all fit-your shopping time is more productive."

    Cricket Lee is taking it a step further and attempting to get standards back into the lexicon of apparel makers and designers. She founded Fitlogic, a patented sizing system that fits by body type and size. Though it is now accepting pre-orders online for fall shipments, Lee has spent five years struggling to bring it to market. Because each brand has its own sizing, designers and apparel manufacturers weren't interested.

    Her labeling categorizes women in three shape groups-circle, hourglass and triangle-and the Fitlogic label carries the traditional size plus a number for one of these categories.

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    "The truth will set you free and if you know you're a size four and shape three, you know a size 4.3 in FitLogic will fit you every time," Lee explained. "Women don't have the time to mess with trying on sizes. It is debilitating to walk into a fitting room with 10 pairs of pants and have nothing fit."

    "It's progress and it will happen," she added. "If this can reduce return by 75 percent, how can designers and retailers ignore it?"

    MSA Models' Ivers is skeptical that day will come. "There is no universal fit and I doubt that there ever will be. If five people take measurements of the same person, there will be five different measurements," he said. "Consumers have to learn to adapt to the fact that today you're a size zero and tomorrow, you're a four."

    While new mom Correale admits she "loved being a size two at Ann Taylor, I didn't really believe it." Shopping certainly isn't any easier. "I don't know how to shop other than taking three sizes into the fitting room or having someone run back and forth for me. It never works."

    Shopping woes aside, maybe Lee is correct and the truth will set you free. If knowing that a number on a tag is meaningless will free you from getting hung up on sizes and allow you to focus on the best fit for you, maybe it's not such a bad thing after all.

    - Lisa Marsh

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    605 comments

    • sharon  •  8 months ago
      I would buy more if I didn't have to kiss 100 toads to find something that fits me well. Shopping is annoying enough without having to second guess sizes.
    • Larissa  •  8 months ago
      Sizes (at least for pants) should be like men's clothing... inches. Would make it so much easier. :)
    • brenda m  •  8 months ago
      the sizing is out of control.......i usually wear a size 4 in most brands......but, i wore a size 10 in high school & that size was TINY then......size 4 is bigger now than a 10 was in 1965...lol! [i can fit in some size 2 & i KNOW i'm not a 2!!!!! LOL] when you super size your fries you super size your thighs & the designers want to keep your business by stroking your vanity & keeping you in a size 10!!!
    • Julie E  •  8 months ago
      I'm glad to see this article! What's even more frustrating is when sizing varies in the same item (yes, I'm talking to you, Gap). I've tried on three different pairs of the same style of dress pant in a size 4 and they all fit differently. I always take at least two sizes in the dressing room and try on the larger size first and hope it's too big. Sizing can really mess with your head if you let it. I've learned to buy the size that fits you though. Nobody sees what size you're wearing and if they're wearing the same item, they probably had to go up a size too.
    • Carmen  •  8 months ago
      I'm a size 2 in tops, due to a relatively non-existent bust, but a size 6-8 in pants & skirts. Fitting for dresses is a nightmare! Manufacturers assume that if you have 36" hips, you must have a bust to balance it out. I have no problem shelling out $50 for a dress, and another $40ish for alterations, but when you look in the $300-400 range, you expect more. Fitting for bras is even worse. 34A? You mist be 12, right? So here's a flower-printed cotton bra for you. Took me MONTHS to find something lacy and sexy that didn't have padding and/or underwire. Barf!
    • Doctor H  •  8 months ago
      I'm sure this is contributing to the obesity epidemic, since people don't realize how big they're getting because the clothing makers keep making the same size bigger. I'm a 5'9' man with an athletic but not big build, and used to wear size L shirts 20 years ago. About 10 years ago I had to go to M, and now I've had to go to S, even though my weight has stayed the same all these years. I'm sure there are a lot of guys whose weight is going up who are pleased with not having to upsize to XL or larger. Fortunately waist sizes for pants seem to have been relatively stable, since they are given in inches. I've been in waist 31 for 20 years.
    • Bob's girl  •  8 months ago
      I believe clothing sizes are made much smaller than years ago. I currently wear an 8 or 10 in most clothes, yet when I cleaned out my closet and found old cocktail and party dresses from years ago, they were a size 12 and still fit me. Go back to the sixties and look at Butterick dress patterns and you will find that today's 8 is really a 12 or 14. I recently saw a rerun of I Love Lucy (from the 50's). Lucy was very thin and Ricky teased her that she could have a part in his show if she could get into the costume which was a size 12. She had to go on a diet to fit. Imagine that today a show girl admitting to be a size 12.
    • RacerX  •  8 months ago
      ROFL...maybe, instead of p-----footing around the sensitive issue (which has resulted in many, many more fat people whom are taxing the health industry to it's knees) they should have the following labels which might get people to thinking about changing their lard-arsed, obese ways???

      Labels should read:

      Too skinny
      Just right
      Plump
      Fat
      Lard-a$$ Mugambo Gargantuan Gorrilla Fat

      Only 5 simple sizes to worry about!

      Yeah, I'm an insensitive jerk, but I sure as hell aren't fat...

      OK, the mean guy is leaving the building...LOL!
    • Paula57  •  8 months ago
      I was watching The View recently and one of the ladies said that she overheard a sales person in a shop tell Jennifer Hudson that she would need a size zero. I realize JH has lost a lot of weight, but if she's a size zero, what is Eva Longoria? It's ridiculous. Women's sizes should be based on standard body measurements. It's not a crime to be an honest size 14.
    • saneyaya  •  8 months ago
      I agree w. Allison. I am buying camis in the kids department- and I'm a grandmother. I bought a beautiful blouse, size XS, and I need to have it altered--it's huge on me. The only yoga pants that actually fit me are kids also- all the adult ones are too long.
    • sun2go  •  8 months ago
      If you derive your self-esteem from the size of your jeans, you have bigger problems than what number is on a tag. There is power in accepting what you look like at the moment, and if you're not satisfied, ask yourself is it really your size or is it deeper. But what's going on inside usually reflects on the outside.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 months ago
      Vanity sizing has made finding garments for a truly small and well proportioned body impossible. Teenage sizes come close but the style selection is rarely appropriate for a woman. We have been squeezed out by those seeking to feel smaller. Consequently, a girl's size 10ans from an expensive cutting edge designer (if you can find one in season) fits a 5'2 fashionable frame. So called "Petite" sizing is downright insulting. So far as I can see, the "Petite" pro-type is a stout woman up to about 5'4" who may weigh 200 lbs. I will not even begin to discuss the pursuit of a chic or sophisticated dress. HELP !!!!?
    • Alexis  •  8 months ago
      We petite women have it worse as it amost impossible to find good clothes in our sizes. I wear a 10 in most but may be a 8 or 12 in others. For women with large breast problems like me its impossible so nothing can be bought in the normal size. I believe clothing sizes do not matter any longer as all our clothing is made overseas by small build aisans who have no idea what American women really look like. Hence the Old Navy clothing, built only for tiny teens and aisans. Take 3 sizes into the dressing room and you will find one that fits.
    • Doggone it  •  8 months ago
      I make all my own clothes because
      1. I don't want to be a slave to what THEY say is in - I make my own style and
      2. I like to make things fit - I am not whatever size they say.
    • sadieh  •  8 months ago
      My 90 lb. mother-in-law has trouble finding jeans to fit her. She often shops in the youth sizes. One time she bought a pair of size 16 girls' jeans and they swam on her. She gave them to me, and they fit perfectly. I'm typically a 10-12 adult size in jeans. Crazy.
    • Lori  •  8 months ago
      it drives me crazy trying to buy clothes - I average about a 4, but I own clothes from size 0 to 10 - it just depends on who's clothes it is. Same goes for shoes, I own everything from a 6.5 to a 9. I try and not buy clothes online unless there's actual measurements because it's such a gamble!

      On another note - when will they realize that sometimes thin people have longer arms and legs? If it fits my waist or torso chances are it'll be about 3 inches too short for my arms or legs....I end up rolling up most of the sleeves on my long-sleeved shirts because I can never find them long enough.
    • Dorian  •  8 months ago
      I am 5'3" and weigh 160 lbs. Size 12 is too small. Size 14 is too big. I am not ashamed of my size. These vanity sizes force me to go on a treasure hunt to find clothes that fit me proportionally. And I hate feeling like I am being punished because fashion designers ignore women like me.
    • shelby  •  8 months ago
      Im anywhere froma size 5-9, all the pants i own are from a size 7 or a 9, and i have a few different brands, from different places, and everthing ive tried on is usually in the 5-9 range. i went into a different store and grabbed a 9, they wouldnt even button. i grabbed a 13 and they would barely button. im 5'6 and 139 pounds, im pretty sure im not a 13, my numbers are 36- 26-36.. or something like that. it all depends on the brand.. wich is dumb, all pant sizes should be the same.
    • Life in the Key of Amber  •  8 months ago
      I think one of the reasons I love the company I work for so much (Buckle) is because they don't use traditional sizing for women. When you go into a Buckle and shop for jeans, you'll find that they are sized by waist and length. The only change that happens, then, is if you buy an easy bootcut jean as opposed to a regular bootcut jean, in which case you may need to go down one or two waist sizes do to the eased fit. So I'm pretty much a 31L (31 inch waist with a 33 inch inseam) no matter what jean I put on. We carry most jeans all the way up to a 32 or 33, and lengths vary from 31 inches (regular) to 37 inches (double extra long). Yep, Buckle is doing it right.
    • NathalieR  •  8 months ago
      I'm so frustrated with women's clothing sizes! I agree that it makes larger women feel WORSE. I have gained weight since my years in college, but it seems to me that the designers are making clothes smaller and smaller, to fit TIGHT. Many women look awful in the teeny skin tight t-shirts being sold, because the dang things are TOO SMALL. I am finally starting to accept that I am now a size 16, although in college I fit into a size 4 from Old Navy. I've never been an "actual" size 4 in all my life, but now that I'm larger, I feel worse about no longer being that "4", even though it wasn't truly a 4.

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