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    Is Your Dentist Ripping You Off?

    by Sarah Lorge Butler for CBS MoneyWatch.com

    A person near and dear to me came home from the dentist with an ugly diagnosis. He has two cracked crowns and needs replacements. I'm not sure what's more painful - what's been going on in his mouth or the bite out of the family finances.

    Cost of the crowns: $1,395 apiece. Cost of foundation fillings, or "cores" to put the crowns on: $326 apiece. Total bill, if you're scoring at home: $3,442.

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    His dentist sold him membership into an office savings plan for $319 for the year. So that saves him 20% on all dental procedures and gives him two free cleanings. Knock off 20% (but add back in the $319) and we're down to $3072.60 on this bit of drilling.

    When I look at this bill, I wonder why I obsess about the weekly price fluctuations of Cheerios or the shrinking size of a can of tuna. All the economical choices a family makes in a year can be wiped out by a trip to the dentist. No wonder people are going to Thailand and Mexico for dental work.

    Out of curiosity I called two other dentists within five miles of the first guy. One charges $950 for a crown. Another charges $797. According to 2009 figures from the American Dental Association, the national average among a survey of 8,085 dentists was $945.27. So how can the first guy explain why his price is $450 higher? The office assistant told me "not all dentists are created equal," and of course, this dentist is one of the best in the area, using a great lab.

    I'm not satisfied with that answer. The patient, however, trusts this dentist, and only this dentist, to drill in his mouth, and I'm not going to argue. But how can someone who is not a medical professional know if their dentist is worth their fees? I spoke to Dr. Matthew Messina, D.D.S., a dentist in Fairview Park, Ohio, and a spokesman for the ADA, about this question. (His price of a crown is usually in the high $900 range.) Here's what I learned:

    • It's fair to comparison shop. If your dentist is more expensive than everyone else in the area, "ask the dentist to explain the differences in their fees. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to do," Messina says. "It might be different laboratories, it might be different materials in the crown. It's worth asking the question."
    • But don't select a dentist on price alone. "With crowns, we're talking replacement body parts, if you will," Messina says. "There's a tremendous emotional component to it - besides having someone in your personal space. It's important to see someone you trust."
    • Rely on word of mouth. Get referrals from friends and neighbors. Fees are one part of evaluating a dental practice, but you want to have confidence in the office, the people in there, how they sterilize their instruments, and the training and continuing education of the dentist. Does he or she seem to be looking out for your best interests over the long haul? What's the dentist's philosophy for keeping your teeth healthy for a lifetime?
    • Prevention saves a boatload of money. Brush, floss, and use your fluoride rinse. Messina's top three no-no foods for patients: Sour Patch Kids, popcorn, and chewing ice. "Ice is a crystal. Tooth enamel is a crystal," he says. "When you push two crystals together, one of them breaks. Most of the times it's the ice. Sometimes it's the tooth."
    • Interrogate. Why do I need this? Why is this investment important for me in the long run? What do you project my ongoing needs to be? Ask these questions. When you understand the value, you might not cringe at the cost so much.
    • Is the work guaranteed? Messina says five to seven years is typical for a crown. Will your dentist stand behind his or her work for that time?
    • Is your dental insurance worth it? Do the math. Sometimes, what the patient gets back in benefits is less than what they pay in premiums. "There are situations where we'll talk to people about that," Messina says. "Based upon their past history and projected future needs, they may be better off using a health savings account."

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    • BadDog  •  Richardson, Texas  •  4 months ago
      It is clear that all dentists in the United States of America have joined together to set prices; such setting of prices by an organization at one time was unlawful; why not now?
    • O  •  5 months ago
      Every occupation has its ne'er-do-wells. Maybe all those who comment can list their means of earning a living, so that the crowd can call them thieves as well.
      I do have to laugh at those who suggest that they should travel overseas for their dentistry. Perhaps they can visit all the other American jobs in these foreign lands that their frugality helped export.
    • Joe Bulger  •  5 months ago
      Terrific article with some solid advice. Ultimately, dentistry is an optional lifestyle choice and some people are destined to lose all their teeth.

      Unfair as it may be, not everyone can afford to keep their teeth. And if you have to choose between putting a meal on the table and fixing your teeth, choose the food.
    • Webster  •  10 months ago
      Dentists are as crooked as a dog's hind leg!
    • Sondra  •  10 months ago
      I think dentist rip you off and insurance is a joke. And when you just want a filling because you can't afford a $900. root canal to help keep the tooth a little longer they say no. Take the big bucks treatment or ger nothing at all. The goverment is demanding everyone has health insurance, well add dental to that to. They say having healthy teeth helps keep you healthier.
      • esthetic dentist 6 months ago
        Sondra, sometimes things are not as simple as you want them to be. There are creatures called lawyers skulking around whose job it is to find people upset with other people and think up ways to make money from the situation. In your case, a filling (assuming that you have cleaned your teeth to prevent decay under the old one) can fill the hole, but it won't stop the tooth from hurting. You could find a lawyer to sue the dentist because, legally, you cannot get rid of your right to care, and the dentist can't do something to you that he knows is wrong. So hear's the question for you: He puts a filling in the tooth, which is what you can afford. Things are fine for a year. The tooth starts hurting. He has to remove the filling and do a root canal. There is less tooth to hold a new filling, so a bonded core has to be placed and then protected with a crown. You have paid more for a cheaper product at the beginning, and it has ended up costing you more. So, what do you think should happen? Should the dentist charge you less because you wanted inferior treatment at first? I don't think so; he told you what was right, and you refused.
      • Gerald 5 months ago
        Thats like asking for a lung transplant when you really need a heart transplant!!
    • Kimbie  •  10 months ago
      My advice is to STAY AWAY FROM DENTAL GROUPS!!! In Houston, Texas there are more groups than private individual practices and it's hard to find a good dentist. In group practices they send counselors in to sell you treatment plans that you probably don't really need. When I moved up to Tulsa OK, my family had found a dentist in Coweta, OK, about 40 miles from where we live. Dr. Wall in in private practice and has a wonderful staff. My insurance covers the typical charges and I get to see everything via a live camera and have all my questions answered. I'm lucky to have someone I can trust! Both my uncles were dentist and are deceased now but they would have a fit if they could see how some of these dentist are operating today! It's certainly NOT the reason that THEY became a dentist!!!
      • esthetic dentist 6 months ago
        amen, amen, amen. Corporate dentistry is generally not good dentistry. It costs a certain amount to go to school and pay back bills. When a corporation pays a minimal amount to the dentist, the only way to make money is to pump out more dentistry. And this is what many of these mills do.
    • Robert  •  10 months ago
      Bar none,the BIGGEST rip-off in this life is Dentristry.
      For hundreds of years a filling cost between 10-25 dollars. I just paid 249 dollars for the last filling I will ever get.
      • esthetic dentist 6 months ago
        Great Idea, Robert!! Dentistry used to be only for the wealthy several hundred years ago. When mercury fillings were invented in the 1830's, they saved a lot of teeth. Sadly, there was no anesthesia then. The dentist does not have to take care in placing that type of filling, and of course, everyone loves the black spots on their teeth. Tooth-colored fillings are as strong and will last as long as mercury ones, but they take considerably longer to place PROPERLY. If the tooth gets wet before it is done, it should be redone. Do you think.that for the $250 your dentist charged that he is going to tell you that your tongue got in the way contaminating the bonding surface? I bet not...And I'm sure you are going to use your electric toothbrush and floss every day to prevent the decay that is totally up to you to prevent.
      • Robert 6 months ago
        Check the latest four months comments and read if all the people don`t agree with me.
        I noticed you commented 4-5 times then gave up--Can`t stand the heat????
      • O 5 months ago
        After a while, folks give up trying to explain.
        Robert, hundreds of years? How long do you think modern dentistry has been around. 10 dollar fillings were available in the 60's, in the days of the 1600 dollar Volkswagen and the 25 cent loaf of bread. Any chance you know how much it cost to set up and run a office before any patients set foot in an office? How about the cost of 4 years of college 4 or 5 years of dental school?
        Dental insurance used to pay a higher percentage of the bill, that is for sure.

        Everyone points their fingers at others calling them a rip off, which is why eventually all US jobs are being shipped overseas. Enjoy your saving and your new job at Walmart.
    • barbara S  •  10 months ago
      A friend of mine and I just had this discussion yesterday! She's needs a crown plus a two-tooth bridge to the tune of $4,000.

      Outrageous in the extreme.

      In the mid-1970's, I had what were known as Hollywood crowns, and they cost $120 each. Had the entire mouth done, and it cost $3,360. The wisdom teeth had previously been pulled.
      • Gerald 5 months ago
        Yes outrageous when in comparison, unfortunately then inflation comes into play. You may want to read the follow up to this story ... http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505144_162-37044569/why-your-dentist-costs-so-much/?tag=mncol;lst;1
    • Deidre  •  10 months ago
      I went to a dentist who said I needed a lot of work, and yes I did, but he said he was going to do temp work and get my teeth into "a holding pattern." $2,000 later, no permanent work had still been done and a front tooth broke. He said he didn't care if I had it pulled. I went to a dental school and had them ALL pulled! I love my dentures and the best part is I WILL NEVER HAVE TO GO BACK TO A DENTIST AGAIN!!!!!!
      • esthetic dentist 6 months ago
        So happy you love your dentures. I trust that when you have an infected hangnail, you'll also have the finger amputated. From what I hear, there is only one thing good about having dentures, and it is not not returning to the dental office.
      • Jannisary 4 months ago
        I have done many sets of dentures for patients, and while most people seem to get by for the first few years, there is one slight disadvantage: Especially in women, the maxillary bone is lost very quickly, and I have seen 60 year old women appear to be 80 due just to this bone loss. Their face appears sunken and death like. Eventually the dentures will be unwearable and you'll only have gums. At that point, even if you wanted to spend 80k on implants, it would be hopeless. I'm not here to comment on your ignorance, Deidre, I just want you to know what the facts are. You can ask a good prosthedontist if you want confirmation.
    • yahoowidget  •  10 months ago
      Every dentist is a thief.

      It's been many years since I last went to the dentist, but the last time I went for a routine cleaning I was told my teeth were horrible and the were going to fall out without thousands of dollars in immediate dental care.

      Years later and my teeth are still in my mouth, working fine.

      If you have to go to the dentist make sure you go to an old dentist about to retire. These young dentist are the biggest thieves of all, they steal money from the patients so they can buy the bigger house faster, the new porsche and keep the wife AND mistress happy. Old guy doesn't care, he already stole money for 40 years, his house is already too big and he wants to downsize and his porsche is already too fast and this mistress got married 30 years ago.
    • M Man  •  10 months ago
      Would you like a license to steal? Become a dentist.
    • Sheanika Kidd  •  10 months ago
      I am very sorry that I went to this dentist in office Chicago. It is true that dentist, do rip you off and it is always a good ideal to always get a second opinion. I went to this dentist office called Winterset Dental Care on Pulaski Rd in Chicago, never again . No wonder the parking lot was always empty. I am still paying on my dental bill. I had a parcel put in on the top and bottom of my mouth with 4 teeth pulled out and was charged over 6,000.00 dollars. I must be paying for his mortgage and the BMW he's driving around town.
    • Paid  •  10 months ago
      I agree some dentist are crooks. I went to a dentist for a broken tooth and she saw I had good insurance and she tried to milk them for everything. I would have to pay large amounts every time I visited and I told her I can't afford to pay you like that every time I come in here and it's around X-Mas too. We worked out a payment plan. I'm sure she was over charging me,but I never compared my EOB to make sure. I went to another dentist after having a fall out with the previous dentist.His office manager told me one day that the insurance company would only pay x amount towards my crowns and the cost was x. I looked at the dentist for an explanation and he shrugged his shoulders and said you know these insurance companies. I said well I'll check into it. I went home got my EOBs out and come to find out I was paying them more than the EOB said I was supposed to pay and the EOB explained why they weren't paying full amount for one of the crowns. When i went back to the dentist I said it's clear to me what's going on, why is it you all do not understand? The office manger made copies and said we can't charge you those fees, we'd never make any money. WHAT? You are in network and you agreed to those fees. I called my insurance company and complained they were trying to charge me more money,they said they would handle it. I sent a check saying final payment and a letter outlining the charges and said this is the correct amount I owe you according to the Insurance Co. They took awhile to cash the check then finally sent another bill. I called the Insurance Co. back and was lucky to speak to the same person I had talked to in the past about this,she said I'll make sure they do not bill you again. I never heard from the dentist's office again.
    • MARKO  •  10 months ago
      when the dentist told me the cost of pulling my tooth i replyed , stop pulling my leg, all i want is a tooth to be pulled. you have to understand that they also lost money in the stock market crash, and now are recovering the loss by holding you hostage.
    • JJ  •  10 months ago
      Our dentist is very skilled, that is until my husband's bridge fell out 3 weeks later. Dr. said he broke it by chewing too hard. Young dentist in his office did his cleaning later and my husband explained the big gap. She asked what kind of a bridge it was....Maryland Bridge, and she said that was totally inappropriate for an upper bridge. Upshot, the other dentist said baloney (very nicely and "technically"). The new lady dentist was let go shortly thereafter. Not to mention, he owns the building and a few years back he did a remodel you wouldn't believe. It is far nicer than most people's homes....
    • GREGORY B  •  10 months ago
      ALL DENTIST RIP AMERICAN PEOPLE OFF, GO 3M WEB .WHOLE BOX OF GOLD PLATE CROWM
      400.ENOUG FOR 20 PEOPLE BUT CHARGE EVERYONE 1OOO.00 EACH PORCELAIN CROWN 900.00 BUT SOLD TO DENTIST 5.00 EACH ROOT CANAL ROD AT 15.00 EACH SOLD TO US SUCKER 900 DOLLAR EACH. OR GO TO MEXICO AMERICAN TRAIN DOCTOR WILL A COMPLETE MOUTH JOB FOR A FEW HUNDRED DOLLAR YES YES YES WE GET SCREWD.
    • Lindilou  •  10 months ago
      I went to this one dentist who did his exam, told me what I needed done then as I was leaving and prepared to make an appointment to start the work the billing clerk told me I needed to pay up front. I had dental insurance and told her as the work was done and the insurance paid I'd pay the balance. That wasn't good enough for her so I told her AI couldn't afford to pay that much money "up front" and she suggested I borrow it! I refused and told her again how I would pay for it. Well, funny thing, every time I went in for work to be done this dentist would find something else that needed to be done. I finally quit going because over a short period of time, I'd already had all this "stuff" done, was several hundred dollars into it and still hadn't had done hardly any of what he originally said. Funny thing: every year they close down for 2 weeks and he pays EVERYTHING for a vacation for his entire staff AND their families!
    • Mike  •  10 months ago
      Dental, medical, therapy, hospital, clinic........it does not matter! The USA and american household is sinking while all the doctors, dentists, hospitals, insurance companies and HMO's are filthy rich.
    • l  •  10 months ago
      Great dentist...great big bill. 5000.00 to make a bridge to replace two teeth. 234.00 for an extraction...after insurace paid. Now wants to re-do two root canals done several years ago by a different dentist. Asked to see xrays, he showed me where the problems were. Yep, same as the first time it was done. Not sure about this and will seek second opinion.
      The difference between dental and medical is that dental is as much speculative as subjective. Don't like going to the dentist, and the financial aspect makes it even more distasteful.
    • Krusin crow  •  10 months ago
      DAMMM!Sorry,started w/the dentists,and ended w/the economy!BUT;you know what I mean!!!

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