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    The 7 Words that Prove Chivalry Isn’t Dead

    By Chiara Atik for HowAboutWe

    Speaking of post-date follow ups , the other night I ran into what must truly be the last bastion of male chivalry in the dating world.

    Chivalry is an interesting concept to tackle in 2012. Women think they still want it, but the concept of courtly love has been long outdated. We like the idea of men fighting for our honor, but don't want anyone to think for a second that we can't defend ourselves. Opening a car door for us is a nice gesture, but a little silly given that we manage opening our doors just fine the other ten thousand times a day we get into vehicles. Paying for dinner is sweet, the first time, but starts to get weird after weeks of leaving our own salary untouched.

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    When it comes down to it, I think what most women want isn't chivalry, but rather politeness: a man who shows respectful and considerate behavior to everyone, regardless of whether or not he's on a date. Women want someone who is courteous not because he is a man and she is a woman, but simply because she is a person worthy of respect. A guy who will run around and open a car door because he's been told that the move works is far less endearing of an act than, say, a guy who will hold open the door to a cab because that's what he would do for his girlfriend, his mother, his guy friends, a stranger.

    This having been said, last week a guy made a tiny gesture that was so polite and solovely that it really did make me swoon a bit. It was the end of the night, and he had walked me to the subway. After we said goodnight, he called after me, "Let me know you got home safe."

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    Maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing here, but I love when guys say that. He didn't imply that I was incapable of getting home on my own, or force me into a cab like some other obnoxious dates I've been on. It's not condescending and it's not heavy handed and it's not chauvinistic. But it's also not something he'd ever say to a guy friend. It shows a nonchalant concern over my well-being, and an open invitation to the follow-up text .

    (Another variation of this sentiment is when guys drop you off at your house, and politely wait until you've gotten in before driving off.)

    If there's any form of chivalry left in the world of dating, this might be it: a relatively hands-off way of expressing interest. Because if you didn't send that text to let them know you got home safely, they'd…saddle up their steed and come find you? I don't know. But if this is the only form of chivalry left, I'd still say the world is a mighty polite and romantic place.

     

    22 comments

    • Tom  •  Minneapolis, Minnesota  •  3 months ago
      I think we should just drop the word Chivalry and concentrate more on acts of kindness that we extend to others. I open doors for people both men and women because it's a way of showing kindness to them and although a small act it shows people we are not as separated as we think and makes them feel good. When people do nice things for you it makes you feel more connected and respected.

      If you just do it for women then one maybe should question why just them.
      • Stiga 3 months ago
        I'm also an equal opportunity door opener.
      • Tom 3 months ago
        good man Stiga!
      • Heather J 1 month 13 days ago
        I open/hold doors for anyone nearby, but I have noticed that males are more likely to give me a funny look for it. Any thoughts as to why?
    • Jonathan Hunt  •  2 months ago
      Call it what you want, but holding doors for others and asking them to text when they get home is just showing care and respect. I open doors for many people all day long at my office. Likewise, people hold doors for me. Why would it be any different on a date? It's a gesture of welcoming and nothing more. Now, if it's done to impress that's different. In general, people need to think others more, most only seem to think of themselves.
    • Frank  •  Ellensburg, Washington  •  3 months ago
      I have said it before. Chivalry now-a-days should be done to show the other person that they are important as a person. It is politeness. it is also something that is rarely found in the present world. It is codified (opening a door, walking next to the street, etc.) so that both parties understand the gestures. I know that women can do all those things for themselves, but why not allow a man to do them for you so that he has a way to show his character. I do think that is part of the problem in today's dating world. There are no rules, so who knows what is an invitation to a relationship or do I have a weird food stain on my face?
      • Frannie 3 months ago
        I live and work around incredibly nice men. I never pick up anything heavy when they are around. The door thing depends on who gets there first. I am just as likely to hold it as they are. They like it better when they do it. They love to be thanked. They don't think less of me. They just like being nice and being known for being nice because they are good men.
      • Frank 3 months ago
        And I bet that none of them could be considered a push-over or a doormat.
      • DeeDee 3 months ago
        Well said Frank!
    • Dubs  •  3 months ago
      Well if chivalry is such a hot button issue for women maybe men should be talking about grace in terms of women's conduct. If they are so upset at a thoughtful act that she needs to project her frustration on to the nearest male in her vicinity then she is incapable of grace. There's so much emphasis today on young boys and young men on how to respect women, but how often do you see an article on how young girls treat boys and younger men? Is it the lack of father figures or has our culture become so obsessed with marginalizing men and boys that there is no need for the other side paradigm to be emphasized? Respect and courtesy is a two way street, don't think its something always granted to you ladies. Delusions of grandeur are an enormous turnoff...humilty is indeed rare virtue nowadays.
      • Lori 3 months ago
        Well said and so very true! I wish I could thumbs-up this a few more times.
      • Joe 3 months ago
        Dubs has some of the best responses here, and this is another one. And I totally agree with you. I've never seen anything about telling girls about showing respect for boys too, and when a boy does something courteous to say thank you. On the other hand, there's no shortage of information on how boys/men should respect girls/women. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it has to be a two way street. And it's precisely the reason why I (and other men) get frustrated doing things only to be treated like dog crap.
      • Tom 3 months ago
        respect does go both ways and thumbs up to Dubs, Lori and Joe.
    • DeeDee  •  Grand Blanc, Michigan  •  3 months ago
      We attract what we are, what we project. Guys if you want a lady in your life than be a gentleman and treat her like a lady. If she rejects your chivalry than she is not the woman you're looking for. If you don't want a lady than don't treat her like one....if she sticks around than you got what you wanted. And ladies and women out there....this goes both ways.
    • Michael R  •  2 months ago
      I have opened the doors for many women. It is just a common, and polite gesture.
    • Lori  •  Seattle, Washington  •  3 months ago
      It really makes me sad what so many women have done to chivalry and to men who....just want to be nice guys. Seriously, do you really have to blow up at someone for opening the door for you? Do you really feel that threatened by someone doing something nice for you? If so that's just a very sad statement.

      My boyfriend does all those things for me - opening doors, pulling out chairs, walking on the street side when we go out together, wants to know that I've gotten home safely - so many other little gestures like that. And while as a rule, yes he's polite to everyone, many of these little gestures are just for me. And I love it! Sure, I can take care of myself and defend myself...I know this, he knows this...but this is a way he shows I matter to him and he wants to take care of me. I doesn't at all feel threatened or 'lessened' by this - I'm secure enough in myself and who I am that I accept these gestures for what they are, and instead they make me feel special and treasured. And I make sure I let him know this.

      Maybe I'm just weird, or a throw-back to some by-gone era, but I still just feel very sorry for a world that's become so jaded that opening a door or just being nice has become such a source of hostility for people.
      • Deborah 3 months ago
        Why let some idiot man do things for you, you are totally capable! Men are becoming more and more worthless every day, lol!
    • tuyetnhi  •  2 months ago
      It is an act of kindness and politeness to hold doors for others. Doing so does not imply that the other person can't. I dont get why someone would be opposing to this act of politeness. They fuss over nothing, I apologize, but it sounds really dumb when a person says "why did you open that door, i can do it for myself!" it's arrogance, that's what it is. And also, my friends would ask me to text them when I get home to let them know i get home safe. What's wrong with a little caring? If anything, that's what we need more of in this world.
    • Jonn  •  3 months ago
      "Chivalry is an interesting concept to tackle in 2012. Women think they still want it, but the concept of courtly love has been long outdated. We like the idea of men fighting for our honor, but don't want anyone to think for a second that we can't defend ourselves. Opening a car door for us is a nice gesture, but a little silly given that we manage opening our doors just fine the other ten thousand times a day we get into vehicles. Paying for dinner is sweet, the first time, but starts to get weird after weeks of leaving our own salary untouched."

      This paragraph really says it all. The problem is women have fought for and achieved (well for the most part) equality. Yet, there are certain things which benefit them that they don't want to change. Hey, I can't say I blame them. I wouldn't mind someone holding opening and holding doors for me and paying for meals/movie tickets/concert tickets, etc. Many of the women I date are well educated professionals making a very good salary. Yeah, I can read the label on your clothes and purse! And, there are more women who are college graduates now than men, so that disparity will only increase. The day I hold a door open for a woman is when she returns the favor (never happened in my life). To top it off, I've even had a few go off at me for holding the door open, yes true! That's why I quit doing it. In my opinion, this whole chivalry crap should just be eliminated and everyone is on equal footing.
      • Dubs 3 months ago
        Entitlement leads to chauvinism, sad but true.
    • George Jetson  •  3 months ago
      straight up people; there are doors everywhere.If for what ever reason you are not able to open a door please stay home. I have more important things to do than stand around and hold a door for you...I don't do chivalry.
    • Joe  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  3 months ago
      Well, I think those saying that it's only a few women who respond in a negative way for being courteous need to look at the responses here. Only 14, and 3 are negative comments from women. That tells me it's more that just a "few". I actually had a woman yell at me for holding a door for her when I was visiting the Art Institute last year. You would think I physically assaulted her or something. I guess I'll still continue to do it, but negative experiences like that really make me ask myself why should I?
    • Kimmy  •  Calhoun, Georgia  •  3 months ago
      I love for my bf to open the car door (and any other doors). What is wrong with it? I must be way to traditional....I don't mind chivalry at all. Or maybe it's the southern belle in me, lol.

      Get a grip people, just because someone (a man) does something nice for you DOES NOT mean he doesn't think you can do it.
    • kokoro  •  Maribor, Slovenia  •  2 months ago
      I'm an intelligent, educated woman holding a job and taking advantages of everything that gender equality has to offer but I still like chivalry. I'm still a girl and like to be treated as a girl.
    • Ghost  •  3 months ago
      I held a door open for a woman and ended up having a long talk with HR about it after she filed a complaint against me. I won't make that mistake again.
    • H S  •  3 months ago
      Pffff.. Another broad writes her version of chivalry.. Look, chivalry has a unchangable definition, PERIOD.. Females attempted to change it to fit their convenience & what they felt comfortable with.. That is NOT what it is.. They ruined what chivalry is meant to be.. Objection OVERRULED..
    • Angela  •  Seattle, Washington  •  3 months ago
      A guy in a bar said something offensive to me. My boyfriend got in his face. I broke up with him. Chivalry is dead and if it raises it's ugly head, I will stop on it until it dies again.
    • Younger Grandma  •  3 months ago
      If you'd not treat another woman or any other person for that matter at least equal to or better than treating your own mother, then you'd not be worth having. Open the door for mom? Open it for others!! Don't be bad-mannered. I don't care if my husband opens the door for me or not unless my hands are full or I don't have my keys ready. But I ALWAYS tell him thank you!! I open the door for him sometimes and get the same response I give. One can also tell if a person is worth beans just by their actions out in public. Believe me, I've had my fair share of no one saying thank you when I hold the door open for them. And that goes for both men AND women. I love to say 'you're welcome' as they pass, though...lol
    • Jonny  •  3 months ago
      I think chivalry is pretty antiquated and pointless. Women are perfectly capable of opening a car door or ordering from a menu or pulling out their chair.

      Chivalry is just as pointless as a lot of things that are considered to be "good manners." Why is it considered "good manners" to take off your hat when you're indoors? What difference does it make? Honestly! Personally, I think it's MORE disrespectful to take your hat off if you suffer from hat-hair. You're not giving off your best appearance possible if you're allowing your disheveled hair to be seen. You're giving off the impression of, "I don't respect you enough to care about how I look."

      Another example: What's the deal with standing up when someone else leaves the table? What sense does that make?
    • Deborah  •  3 months ago
      I remember one time a man held a door open for me. I went over and smacked him and told him I don't need a god d*** man doing ANYTHING for me. That made my day, lol!
    • Christine  •  3 months ago
      I don't need some stupid man asking me if I got home say, I can take care of myself thank you very much! Oh, and don't even think of holding a door for me, you will wish you didn't.

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