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    Bodysnarking in disguise: Sienna Miller and the Great Slut Debate

    Just JaredJust Jared
    I have to point you over to this post on The Frisky about the Great Slut Debate, and why, exactly, we keep flogging it over, and over, and over again. Amelia sums up the debate brilliantly:

    "The most common use of the word "slut" describes a person, usually a woman, who is promiscuous--another word that's definition is totally open to debate. I suppose if you're, say, a practicing Catholic, you're a promiscuous slut if you're having pre-marital sex. If you're a person who thinks sex should occur between two people who love each other, someone who has sex with someone they only like may be a slut. Maybe your definition is a numbers game--five sexual partners in one's lifetime is a-okay, but anything over that and damn, it's obvious you don't respect your body. People who throw around the word slut love to pretend like there's a concern for the slut's body, and her lack of respect for it. What does "respect" in this context mean anyway? Certainly it's possible for a woman who's slept with 40 men to respect her body more than someone who's only slept with one person--maybe she respects her body's desire to experience pleasure, rather than her body's desire to follow rules put upon her by someone slipping a purity ring on her finger, for example."

    Also on Elastic Waist: Just how pure do you think I am (or should be)? The purity test.

    What struck me the most was her point about how the harping on the disrespect-for-our-bodies angle is disguised as "concern" for other women's bodies. It hit me hard--it's just another wretched facet of the whole bodysnarking phenomenon, isn't it? Where we busy ourselves worrying about who has gotten fat and who's gotten thin and whose ankles are too thick and who can lose the baby weight fastest and become an OMG WEIGHT LOSS SUPERSTAR!

    More from Elastic Waist: Anne keeps calling bullsh*t on the beauty ideal.

    We get righteously (and rightfully) angry when magazines do it, but then we participate ourselves, when we enter into the slut debate, the judgment of sexual behavior. I would even suggest that we buy into it when we let ourselves feel guilty for our own sexual behavior--when we decide that we've been too promiscuous, we've enjoyed ourselves too much (because the human body is absolutely built for ascetic self-denial). We've been too physical. We're not allowed to be physical because we're too fat, we're too nice, we're too insert-guilty-thought-here.

    It's more than just sex--it's pleasure. We demonize pleasure too often, we deny ourselves luxury and indulgence. We eat lemon gum instead of gummy bears far too often, we turn down the offer of a one-night stand because it would not be right. It would be wonderful, but it wouldn't be right. We don't want to be a slut, or a pig. We don't want anyone to think of us like that; we secretly hate ourselves and think of ourselves like that. We internalize the snark.

    I'm with Amelia--the slut debate needs to die, and it needs to take guilt over indulgence and remorse for pleasure and shame when we indulge in luxury with it.

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    87 comments

    • Lawrence  •  3 years 5 months ago
      I think people are bringing the act of calling someone a "slut" and being what the definition of a "slut" is together, and that's not the argument here. If you don't think being a slut is a bad thing, go read the definition of it in the dictionary. It is bad, stop lying to yourselves. Everyone has desires that come and go, most of the time they are dumb. Many people have the desire to kill others, it's instinct for them. Does that make it right? Saying to follow your heart's desires and don't worry about what people say is a lazy and irresponsible way to go through life. People who do that cause all the problems in this world.
      Be respectful of others and yourself, and stop thinking about only yourself and realize the world does not revolve around you.
      I'm not saying it's alright to call people a slut. Calling people names is childish, you shouldn't. But sleeping around because it pleases you, is disgusting. And these names and stereotypes exist for a reason. Seriously , i can't believe there's even any debate about this. People know the difference between right and wrong. Don't come on a website and try to empower beliefs that sleeping around is ok. Please seek therapy.
    • monty2209128  •  3 years 9 months ago
      Calling someone out of their name is never okay. Say it to the wrong person and you'll be in for a rude awaking. Why would you worry about another person’s sex life? Lonely, maybe.
    • Nose  •  3 years 9 months ago
      I kinda like the word slut. But then again, I also like the word c*nt too. One can use both these words in a positive way, in an empowering way the same way the B word (rhymes with witch) is used. Who's to say what is right about what one does with their body? Whether you made love to 4 different people, or forty or a hundred and forty......or none yet. Think about what your intention was at the time. I was looking for love (in all the wrong places) and have ZERO regrets about anything I've done or who I slept with. Everything I've done has brought me to where I am now and I wouldn't change a thing. Experience teaches us and brings wisdom. I may have had my heart broken a few times, but as Woody Allen says "the heart is a resilient little muscle." It is and each time it healed after it got broken, it healed stronger. Looking back, you can say I was a slut but whatever I did was right for me at the time. And no, I never slept with the football team either.
    • saturdaymorningtelevision  •  3 years 9 months ago
      On sex as a whole, I personally believe God wants me to refrain from having sex until I get married. (I'm not a virgin; I started having sex when I was 15 and, at 22, just recently made the decision to stop). However, I don't think it's okay to go around putting women down who are freer with their sexuality. And I'm a Christian, but I know plenty of Christians who don't feel God has called them to refrain from sex until marriage. As for the word "slut", well, it's just stupid. There's no need for it, except for people who want to make others feel inferior.
    • ladybella04  •  3 years 9 months ago
      I think "slut" is just another way to shame women for being sexual. I also think that the word slut probably gets abused more by other women than by men. Women who are uncomfortable with their own sexuality project their self-hatred onto women who are comfortable with sex/their bodies. Not that some men don't try to put women in their place or make them feel bad, but I think women are worse about being judgmental.
    • Pascale  •  3 years 9 months ago
      She is being called a slut because she was sleeping with a married man who had kids, and was doing so out in the open. The man should be the main one to blame, since he is the one breaking his vows. We don't really know the whole story. (Was he already separated, etc.)

      There have been a few articles recently talking about how women are labelled sluts if they sleep with too many men. However, I feel the opposite pressure - after shows like Sex and the City, you are made to feel like a prude if you haven't slept around. On that show, I read something like each one of them had about 50 sex partners during the 6 years it was on the air. I never thought of myself as frigid, but I am nowhere near that number.
    • Jude  •  3 years 9 months ago
      That word pretty much wrecked my life. It just shows a lack of respect. Sexuality is a gift, given, taken. I was an innocent virgin, next thing I know I'm a slut, and I never did anything. Just cause I had rockin tits and a bunch of guys wanted to f-me. Next thing you know a bunch of adults are involved and no one gives a F if I am telling the truth of not. The damage was done - just cause guys are a bunch of baby boys who were never taught shit about woman.
    • Rachel  •  3 years 9 months ago
      Someone said domething about slut having a conotation of lacking self respect and with that in mind I have come to find that a lot of women use the word slut in a manner that I am better then that other women because not only does she sleep aroud but she also has no self respect. Therefore I think it is a way for a women to majorly disrespect another women. Furthermore, I think that when men call women sluts it is becasue they have heard other women use the word. I'm all for reclaim words from something that was orginally hurtful to something power like the reclaiming of queer in the GLBT community but i think that Slut means slut generally meaning someone who has a promiscious and over the top muilty partnered sex life and that when the word is used from one women to another there is slim to never a positive reason or outcome. Please note that I think that every person has a choice of how they conduct themselves sexually and I don't think that anyone should be jugde or socialy or legally punished by those choices as long as the person or people are consenting adults and that bystandards are not unappropriatly exposed to those acts. I think that women are very powerful and that women need to respect each other and get along and I think that words can have a huge amount of power and should be used carefully and demeaning ourselves or others with hurt words is helpful to no one.
    • justina  •  3 years 9 months ago
      It certainly is not right to call someone by this name but think of what doors it would open that we dont want opened if we banned this word, like the banning of other words. Just because they are hurtful and comments of hate does not mean that we should ban them!!!
    • Cassie Greg  •  3 years 9 months ago
      people who call others by names are insecure. they don't want their flaws to be seen that's why they keep pointing out other people's flaws.
    • Mgirl  •  3 years 9 months ago
      Wow! Where is the man at fault in all this? Wasn't he the one who took vows? Being an adulteress or an adultorer is wrong, but who are we to judge? None of us know the entire story. Regardless of all this hype we should not be calling women sluts. I call my friends whores, but it is all out of love and in good fun.

      As an ex military woman I have a very male point of view when it comes to sex. I like it, I enjoy it and I am gonna do it. As long as I am safe and taken care of, it is no one else's business but my own.
    • DeName  •  3 years 9 months ago
      If a person wants to act like a slut, then they shouldn't get upset when someone calls them such. Ironically, I must refrain from making more "outrageous" statements in this discussion on moral relativism as your website, in contrast, does have standards of decency.
    • mabcosmic  •  3 years 9 months ago
      Oh if this gets you going, read Rich Santos' recent blog entry about promiscuous girls. My thoughts are posted there at that entry.
    • KEO  •  3 years 9 months ago
      She is not a slut, she is a homewrecker. There is a difference. I think Balthazar Getty was a willing participant in the affair. It did not look like he was forecd to kiss Sienna (topless) while they were on a yacht.
    • Lisa  •  3 years 9 months ago
      Isn't the use of the word "slut" just a veiled means of trying to assert superiority over someone else? In the end, it's really a means of degrading another human being, based on outdated, puritanical standards, from which nobody knows the origin anyway.
    • badgerdog  •  3 years 9 months ago
      I remember reading (I can't remember who said this) that organized religion originally used the shaming of sex as a way to control the masses. Because sex is a very powerful tool, and by repressing it, you can control and influence people more. Nowadays, however, I think those outdated reactions to sex are just ingrained in people, Pavlovian Dog style. Anyhoo, if you actually counted up the number of men I had sex with before I met my husband, then yes, I suppose by our society's terms, I'd be a slut. And proud of it! Sex is wonderful, and as long as it is SAFE SEX and doesn't hurt anyone else ( for example, cheating is never okay, etc. etc.) then it is absolutely okay. Our bodies are meant for it. Not only that, but frankly I'm very glad I got to test drive some other "makes and models" before settling down with my "dream car", LOL.
    • C-ZAR™  •  3 years 9 months ago
      i think sluts rule not in a demeaning way but a sexually agressive way!!! who wants a prude in the bedroom who does not wanna "DO" anything but(yawns)missionary? who thinks this is dirty or i don't wanna lick this or get in "that"position? prudes drool, sluts rule!!!!!! I'll take one anyday of the week!!! lol
    • princess  •  3 years 9 months ago
      I seldom ever use the slut word, mostly because I could care less who gives there body's away and how much they do it, as long as it's not me! Besides, a Man can be with different Ladies, and he's considered a stud or player. But, when a female has a couple of "Male companions," then she's considered a slut. Some people, especially Women, sometimes call others the slut word because of pure jealousy!
    • McQueendom  •  3 years 9 months ago
      people aren't calling sienna miller a slut cuz she sleeps around. they are calling her a slut cuz she keeps sleeping with married men.
    • miroslav  •  3 years 9 months ago
      no comment

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