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    Married Jake: Why married men flirt


    I'm married. I love my wife. We're having a baby. And still I flirt. A little. Nothing over the line. But what is the line? Safarigirl asked that question in a comment.

    Let me summarize: Reader Safarigirl works at a company (no doubt one with zebras, elephants, maybe a rabid hyena), and a certain attractive guy also works at the same company. In fact, I think he might actually be the rabid hyena. Anyway, Safarigirl and Hyena flirt pretty heavily. They have the kind of heady sexual tension you might find on the savanna. Then she finds out he has a girlfriend. That he lives with. Then he gets married to this girlfriend. Safarigirl cuts it off, but still he pursues. (Because he's, you know, a rabid hyena.) And now she's all like Why does he keep pursuing me when he's married and he's a nice guy who doesn't just seem to be looking for sex?

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    Let me tell you something first. There are two kinds of married guys: married guys who flirt and married guys who don't. Married guys who never flirt are a freaking mystery to me. They're like monks or something. They're wired differently from me. I respect them tremendously, but I do not envy them. On the other hand, guys who are died-in-the-wool flirts will always flirt, even when they're married. That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to act on that flirtation. It just means they like it. And if they've sworn off flirting, it means they're subverting their flirt impulse. And they're miserable.

    I'm a flirt. I have always been a flirt. Maybe if I had more self-esteem or something I wouldn't need to do it, but the fact is I love it. Nothing racy. No physical contact. I just like having flirty conversations-playful ones, not overtly sexual or anything. My wife knows about it, and at first she really hated it. But now she just knows it's who I am. And she remembered that's why she liked me in the first place and that I will never change, and that she's the person I like flirting with the most and am committed to entirely. She trusts me that I won't go over the line, and I trust me that I won't go over the line. I've been with her on-and-off for something like four years, and I've never gone over the line. (Do You Flirt With Guys When You Have A Boyfriend?)

    However, Safarigirl brings up a different point: This guy has gone over the line, and she wants to know what it means.

    Here's the thing, Safarigirl: He'll keep flirting with you. You'll keep flirting with him. It'll be fun. You'll both enjoy it. It'll be excruciating. It'll be like foreplay before sex. You'll have periods where you're flirting more seriously, and then one of you will pull away. And then you'll orbit each other for a while. And inevitably it'll happen again - unless you start dating someone you fall in love with, or his wife finds out, or he starts flirting with someone else instead.

    The thing you have to realize is that you're in it for different reasons. You're in it because you're a little in love with him, and the only satisfactory resolution there for you is to be with him FOR REALZ. He's in it because he wants to keep the single part of himself alive. Marrying you would be just as much a problem for him as marrying his wife seems to be.

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    He can't let you go because letting go of you is letting go of something very symbolic to him. It's letting go of the butterfly feeling. Letting go of the thrill of having a new person be attracted to you. Letting go of a huge part of the male brain that develops from the time we go through puberty until we tie the knot: the pursuer. But if you are actually in love with him, and not just in it for the flirt (or even the possibility of a roll in the hay), you have to shut it down. Get back in the Safari Jeep, and drive away from the Hyena.

    And dude, here's one fact you very symbolically skipped over: You might not have known he had a girlfriend when you fell in love with him. But I bet he knew! That's all you need to know.

    What do you guys think is crossing the line for a married guy?

    by Married Jake

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    30 comments

    • Kristin  •  2 years 3 months ago
      I find it very interesting that these kinds of articles always seem to imply that men can, will and should have the freedom to be, chose and want as they will... because ya know, "there lil ol flirtin guys"...ya know, "its just the way we are...be good little wives and girlfriends and "understand"...SURE..that's totally cool under one circumstance...

      TO WOMEN - become as big a flirts - enjoy life! Come alive in the same way! ... Don't complain, don't "understand", be AS FREE, AS SELF-ACCEPTING, AS SELF-LOVING to BE, CHOSE and WANT with the same gusto, the same unapologetic declarations of self-realization and the same expectation that a good husbands simply "get" that you love them. When and only when I see the majority of men HANDLE this level of equality, power and freedom from women....will a respectable exploration on the matter be considered.

      The issue is never about men being "this" or "that" and women should put up with it...when MEN can accept, understand, tolerate and "be cool"...with powerful, sexy goddess women who loves themselves enough to seek the SAME freedoms...then we will have a conversation.
    • tazi taz  •  2 years 10 months ago
      I also know that in your eyes you are doing nothing wrong and would say thats how i am but thats like living in a bubble.What do u mean your like dat? am a flirt i'll remain one. No matter how insecure your wife is? she must have gone thru hell when she must found out the first time and still going thru with hope that someday you will stop.But you are taking pride in it.So u also mean its ok for wife to flirt as long as its not crossing the line.friend after marriage if u flirt you r crossing the line.you cant talk lovey dowey to your ex- friends or new.Its morally wrong- why u men dont understand this?snap out of it.she will leave you.! thing is what we want faithfulness and peace of mind my god here u are boasting that u r a flirt and you think ur faithful just becoz u admitted it? noway howzy. you arent faithful.........infact ur the worst kind of nightmare any dedicated wife doesnt hope to get.
      Trust me its a nightmare for girls like me.
    • tazi taz  •  2 years 10 months ago
      Exactly..........so convinently you say you are a flirt and will stay one.How will you feel if your wife does it to you.You ve any clue whats it doing to your wife? honestly she must ve told you that its ok cause you arent showing any positive response.Look friend your married , mariage comes with a promise that atleast be honest ,devoted and commitment.It shouldnt make you feel oh my god am stuck.But yes it means 1 women guy.You flirt, what impression does the other girls you flirt with will have about your wife? women way of thinking oh she cant keep her man happy :) or satisfy him the way i can.... well if you want women to look down on your wife? sure go ahead.You should ve told her that before mariage.because she didnt fall for you knowing you will be flirt with everyone.she fell for you knowing that you were flirty with her.
      think deeper my friend.
    • C Delaney  •  2 years 10 months ago
      I just dont get it, my husband is everything to me, and two months into our marriage he's trying to mess around with a younger barely legal girl, literally. I caught him texting her, hanging out with her, meeting up places and even at her parent's house where she live's. He sent pic's to this girl too. Now i worked past it with him and it seemed like he was making the effort to show me he was in this marriage for me that he messed up that one time, that's it. Then later down the road i found out he was sending nude pics to other women, and posted himself on site's like craigslist and sex site's, it literally discusted me. It still does. Even though all of this hapened, I found forgiveness, mostly, and were expecting another little girl in a few months and i see this site that i've never seen before with another naked pic, of his penis, and it brought all of the old memories i have been putting in the back of my head, and i'm disgusted, and i feel as if i want out. He's had more than enough chance's, and I have been nothing but faithful, and plain and simple, i have been good to him. I don't deserve this treatment, and neither does our children. Why take your vows if they don't mean a damn thing to you. My vow's meant the world to me, it meant my life to him.

      Signing off, pregnant and stuck...
    • chillyfromphilly  •  3 years 4 months ago
      as a married man myself, anything that you do.... that you CANT tell your wife is crossing the line. or that you wouldnt do or say when she is around. me personally, i've never been a flirt. don't see the need to. even when i was single.
    • candice  •  3 years 4 months ago
      okay let your wife go out and flirt dont think you'll like it!!
    • Brittani  •  3 years 4 months ago
      men
    • Brittani  •  3 years 4 months ago
      i just wrote a blog today about my own personal problem with my bf being alil to flirtatious should i say... go check it out and leave me a comment tell me what you think about my situation
    • anonymous  •  3 years 2 months ago
      Think about how your wife, especially being pregnant, must feel when she sees you flirting and giving attention to other women. Many pregnanct ladies go through a period where they feel they are no longer attractive to their spouses because of the physical changes and their self-esteem drops. Do you want your woman to feel like this has happened and that you enjoy looking at other women more than you do her? Personally, when my husband flirts with a woman that is prettier, younger, more successful than me, I have to wonder if he doesn't wish I were like that. How would you feel if your wife started flirting with other men? I'm sure you wouldn't like it. If you feel that you can't be you without flirting, then you need to figure out what it is that your spouse is lacking that you are looking for in those other women. A man who is truly in love should be completely happy and fulfilled with that woman and that woman only. My two cents!
    • Georgia G  •  3 years 4 months ago
      I don't see anything wrong with flirting as long as it's just that... flirting!! My husband and I have a mutual flirting agreement...lol
      In fact, I'm a member of a flirting forum. He knows that I love to flirt and doesn't have a problem with it. Although, most of my flirting is online at the forum. http://www.theflirtingshack.com
    • A Yahoo! User  •  3 years 3 months ago
      My parents used to flirt all the time, and they both cheated, constantly. I HATED that when I was growing up. I've never seen anything good come from it. And... I've caught my boyfriend flirting. Only, he says sex isn't as important to him as it is to me (read, I'd like more attention) But still he's giving away this attention to other women. I'm not sure how much longer we are going to last, really. I won't live with it.
    • Aly V  •  3 years 3 months ago
      The little flirts I caught my husband and the woman who works for him doing in the beginning were only the tip of the iceberg. Four years later, and all the nagging to not hang around her off work hours to even just stop and pick up some stuff for the office was to no avail. Now I find them flirting at the beginning of February in a more sexual and romantic way with (bumperstickers app on myspace) he stopped playing on the apps and she continues to try and buy me on own your friends, and hotties for sale....I had to quit playing because I dont' want this hussie using a game to rub it in that she wants to control my life. She is one sick broad....if things don't change with counseling I'm out, even though it has been 23yrs that I have invested in this relationship I can not trust him anymore and he refuses to get rid of her.
    • kiran  •  3 years 4 months ago
      All men are flirt and its ok with me if he is doing it just to boost his ego....but deep down somewhere he is breaking my trust as well and i dnt know why men cannot accept if their women also flirt with other men????? There is a heavy chance that i will kick him off some day when i will loose my temper...bcoz tht's what he is worth for.
    • Chrystani  •  3 years 4 months ago
      My dads been married to my mom for 24 years. He is a flirt.
      I'm not just saying this because I want it to be true, but my dad would NEVER leave my mom. My dad worships my mom. But like you said, some men are flirters.
      I'll go to the grocery store with him and hes flirting with the checkout clerk.
      I go with him to the doctor, he's fliting with the nurse.
      My dads charming. And sometimes he flirts to flatter, to get perks or whatever else he wants. A better appointment date? idk.
      Men I guess.
    • MeganR  •  3 years 4 months ago
      i think it is ok to flirt but not infront of ur grl that is just disrespectful u knw u wouldnt want her to do that to u?
    • DeAnn  •  3 years 4 months ago
      Wow. This post needs to be in a textbook primer for women on the workings of men.
    • jonri  •  3 years 4 months ago
      My husband is also a flirt. I caught him so many times flirting with so many girls. I felt like he betrayed me but somehow I keep it up to the Lord. Satisfaction is a little bit far from him. Maybe he is not satisfied with me thats why he is always flirting around. But mind you gals, that only started when he passed the Bar Exams, maybe he is trying to prove something which I really cannot understand. Huh! Nyway, I can live without him! I really hate flirts!
    • curiously  •  3 years 4 months ago
      Far as I know, a hyena is something mixed between cats and dogs. Now, knowing the interactions between these two categories, how did that happen? :-)
    • Lisbeth Tanz  •  3 years 4 months ago
      I think this has to come down to trust. My boyfriend is a flirt. I don't necessarily like it and I know that if I was as flirtatious as he is, he'd be upset with me - and the other guy. But somehow, in his mind, it's okay if he does it. What about flirting (or worse) online? Like Safarigirl, I had a guy flirting with me via email. Leaving his girlfriend and all that. Not. It didn't take me long to figure out what was going on and I stopped the conversation. And yet, he continued to pursue - till I called him a cheater. Now, he's engaged to this same woman! She can have him. Love isn't easy and trust has to be one of the main components. I don't believe relationships - real relationships - can survive without it.
    • trendyheels  •  3 years 4 months ago
      Give me a break. Married men and married women flirt. I bet this bloger's wife flirts and gets her fair share of attention from married men like him too. Why are we still having articles like this that justify it for men only?
      Women have been flirting since forever and are pros at it. And it's so much easier cause men like this blogger always respond.

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