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    Are Chinese parents really the best parents?

    Her daughters were never allowed to go to sleepovers, have playdates, or be in a school play. Watching TV was not permitted. Neither was playing video games, choosing their own extracurricular activities, getting any grade lower than an A, or playing any instrument other than violin or piano. But they both grew up to be musical prodigies who excelled academically and so, in an excerpt from her new book, "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother," Yale Law professor Amy Chua declares her "Chinese mother" parenting skills superior to those of lax, touchy-feely "Western parents" and describes the methods that led to her success.

    After a quick disclaimer to address stereotyping (she says she uses the terms "Chinese mother" and "Western parents" loosely and acknowledges that parenting styles aren't exclusive to a particular location), she launches into the ways in which Chinese and Western parents differ. For the most part, the Western parents don't make out so well.

    "What Chinese parents understand is that nothing is fun until you're good at it," Chua writes in the excerpt, which was published in The Wall Street Journal. "To get good at anything you have to work, and children on their own never want to work, which is why it is crucial to override their preferences. This often requires fortitude on the part of the parents because the child will resist; things are always hardest at the beginning, which is where Western parents tend to give up."

    Parenting experts and readers had mixed reactions to Chua's conclusions.

    "I was sort of horrified and fascinated by it, simultaneously," says Wendy Sachs, the author of "How She Really Does It: Secrets of Successful Stay-at-Work Moms" and the editor-in-chief of Care.com. "I think there's definitely a validity in the argument that American parenting is a little too permissive, a little too soft. We tend to coddle our children."

    But, Sachs adds, "I would argue that her method of extreme parenting would hinder critical thinking skills and creativity.
    Success is not just about getting all As." Even though Emotional Intelligence is said to be as important as intellect, what her excerpt proudly describes is "a very disciplined child who is told they must excel," Sachs points out. "We're not talking about a child who has empathy, one who has socialization skills, who is being a citizen of the world. And that's where, I think, there's a big difference between 'Eastern' and 'Western' parenting."

    Though Chua says that "Chinese mothers" heap praise upon their children when they do succeed, it's hard not to imagine the crippling rejection a child might feel when Chua throws a homemade birthday card back in her young daughter's face, or when, after their grandmother dies, she forces them to write speeches to give at the funeral-and then tells them their work is awful. "It has no insight. It has no depth. It's like a Hallmark Card - which Popo hated. You are so selfish."

    That kind of "motivation" rarely works on an adult. So why is it OK to talk like that to a child?

    "Western parents are concerned about their children's psyches," Chua writes. "Chinese parents aren't. They assume strength, not fragility, and as a result they behave very differently.... That's why the solution to substandard performance is always to excoriate, punish, and shame the child. The Chinese parent believes that their child will be strong enough to take the shaming and to improve from it."

    Studies seem to show otherwise. "If you look at the suicide and depression statistics of Asian-Americans, I think they contradict her assumption that this kind of verbal abuse has no effect," says Dr. Robyn Silverman, a child-development expert and professional speaker. "Suicide is the second leading cause of death among Asian American women, ages 15-24. Asian American women, ages 15-24 and over 65, have the highest female suicide rates across all racial/ethnic groups...and family pressures are often cited as factors."

    The child may not protest the parents' actions, but that may be because protest isn't permitted. Many Asian cultures teach children not
    to admit weakness or criticize their parents, Dr. Silverman points out. "So it might be assumed that these kinds of parenting techniques don't impact the child, when it actually does."

    In China, where filial piety has long been a tradition, a tide may be turning: A new law is in the works that would mandate that adults look after and visit their elderly parents, since single-child families and a push for a Westernized world-view are challenging long-standing beliefs that children are permanently indebted to their parents-and that parents always know best.

    But do coercion, threats, and insults make sense if a parent is doing what he or she thinks is best for the child? Where is the line between discipline and abuse? "The upshot is that the tough love that Chua heralds is not just pointless, but cruel," writes Brian Chapman at The Library of Economics and Liberty. "The defender of Chinese parenting might retort, 'Well, at least it does no lasting damage.' But only massive future benefits could conceivably justify the truly sadistic things that Chua proudly admits she did for her children's alleged benefit."

    "I think a lot of people would be surprised and shocked at how this mother is raising her child, but that doesn't make it incorrect," says Dr. Charlotte Reznick, author of "The Power of Your Child's Imagination" and the founder of Imagery for Kids. "We have a different emphasis in general in America, so it's hard to say that something is absolutely wrong or not."

    And maybe we have more in common than we think. "Western parents worry a lot about their children's self-esteem," Chua writes. "But as a parent, one of the worst things you can do for your child's self-esteem is to let them give up. On the flip side, there's nothing better for building confidence than learning you can do something you thought you couldn't."

    Says Sachs of Care.com: "There is something to pushing your kids to work harder. Maybe I need to be more of a Chinese mom in some areas, and not let them give up so easily."


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    • Hannah  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  19 days ago
      "Does Chinese Parents Better With Kids" is the link I clicked on. This grammar business is really beginning to bug me when reading Yahoo articles.

      Yahoo if you're reading this: I'll be happy to submit and resume and writing sample, I assure you my ability is of higher quality than your writers and editors.

      Call me, baby ;)
    • Horns  •  Austin, Texas  •  19 days ago
      Any idea that is too far one way or the other isnt right. If your too strict your kid will be professionally sucessful but more of a social failure and vice versa. I have several asian friends who hate their parents and are miserable but are doctors and lawyers. Be balanced,fair and consistant in your rearing and everything will turn out ok.
    • Radek  •  New York, New York  •  6 days ago
      How many of my asian friends are miserable and hate their parents' guts. I think virtually everyone would rather have a loving child over an academically excelling one.
    • hattrick  •  Boston, Massachusetts  •  18 days ago
      Maybe this way of raising kids is the cause of lack of creativity among Asians. Most Asians, even though they may be considered successful, act as robots, applying what they learned, but are unable to bring new concepts for lack of imagination. Maybe this type of education makes them obedient and precise, consistent workers, but mere accumulation of knowledge, skills, etc, will never bring creativity, no matter how hard they try. As an immigrant from Europe who has been living using my own qualities and talents, without ever trying to blend in or claiming I liked baseball just to get "accepted", I feel sorry for and somewhat despise Asians who are trying "to make it" by "blending in". I know Chinese who were forced to take "diction" classes to get their accent sound American. I never tried to "sound" American and I am proud of my un-American accent. And I don't hide the fact that I consider baseball boring and football uninteresting. However, this has not prevented my professional success, even as I work as a professor.
    • Charles T  •  Dayton, Ohio  •  18 days ago
      A country's culture of raising kids stresses what that country deem is most important. It is difficult to produce scientists / engineers / scholars when the kids don't have a very solid early education. Allowing kids to play to their heart's desire leads to very bad study habits that is practically impossible to correct later in life. However not everybody can be raised that way because they don't have the ability and / or desire. It is best then to let them develop other aspects of their life later in life.
    • Blaizen  •  Union, Washington  •  17 days ago
      I would like to see a happy medium in the issue of the better parents. American children are not made to excel in anything really. It seems the xbox rules or of course the smart phone. Our educational system leaves little to be desired. Most other countries have several languages taught, and it is mandatory. The history classes are pretty much a joke in America as it is made up mainly of lies. What else could it be, considering Texas is responsible for what is taught.
      My main concern is this: any people that allow their government to take over their family is in more need of help than any child. It is no wonder our kids are bored and turn to the xbox. We have become soft and wishy washy. We allow CPS to come in our homes and take our children, for the love of God. Any people or society that allows this are not just doing badly in the parenting department, but they pretty much suck at being people. The foster system is ridiculous. It all falls into what is considered abuse. Kids are being taken by government agencies for just about any reason the system wants to enforce. My own kids would threaten me with cps if I put my foot down and made them clean up their rooms. I would hand them the phone.
      I do blame ourselves for for allowing this sort of thing to take place. You just should not allow government into your family. Just because we voted someone in to make laws happen, does not mean we have to allow laws to take place that are not in the best interest for our family. We do make mistakes, with who we vote for, with disciplining our kids, but mainly by turning a blind eye so not to make waves.
      I believe since our country is so full of culture and has the opportunity to learn from every bit of it, we should live and let live. Stop with the, "my way is the right way" attitude. America used to be a lot better in the parenting and educational departments than we are now. We allowed funding to be cut in education. Our future. We then allowed more prisons to be built to house non violent offenders. What kind of message is this for crying out loud. Do we not see that education is the only way our children will be able to make sound and healthy choices in life?
      America, it is time to make some waves.
    • JT  •  Haikou, China  •  17 days ago
      The requirement for good citizenship in the eastern and western worlds is extremely different. To be a productive easterner you must have knowledge and be able to recite the norm (the culture). Western citizenship requires something different... yes, knowledge and recitation of the norm, but also the ability to innovate. The easterner is not required to innovate. No creative thinking needed, so rigid discipline and repression produce functional adults. But our requirement, though it seems more lax, is actually a much more difficult thing to cultivate in children. That is why we are always trying to find a balance between discipline and freedom, not just on a societal level but on an individual level.
    • john  •  Warren, Ohio  •  18 days ago
      No empathy in China? I wonder what the statistics of serial killers, sociopaths, psychopaths in China's general population percentage-wise is compared to the U.S.? In my experience the incidence of persons in the U.S. lacking in empathy seems a bit high in contradiction to what the psychologists/sociologists tell us.
    • Jessica  •  Kunming, China  •  19 days ago
      I think the tiger mom book is funny because i have lived in china for almost 16 years and 90% of chinese kids are really bratty and get no discipline until they go to school and the teachers are expected to discipline them. i would NEVER want to raise my kids like a chinese parent.
    • Holly  •  Dallas, Texas  •  18 days ago
      Wasn't it just last October that a toddler was ran over by two vehicles in an alley near a market in China, and more than 18 people walked or rode by her bleeding, dying, tiny body, and offering NO help? I have never seen something as horrifying as this. I can not believe the morality of China. Its absolutely trajic to be that self absorbed.
    • Funny  •  Charleston, South Carolina  •  18 days ago
      My goodness, that is really hard to read and understand. Having, the freedoms that we do here in America of our thoughts and actions, make me so proud to be a citizen of this country. Our, doors are always open to the abused and oppressed, people of the world. Welcome, to our diverse and beautiful culture. Like, a bouquet of flowers we come in many colors, shapes and sizes. All, we ask is that you come in the "front door" like our ancestors did and not sneak in the back one, like a common criminal.

      On, that note we would welcome you, with open arms. We, as a nation have fought and died to maintain this and all we want is your pledge, to "love us" or "leave us". Abide, by our laws and don't expect any of us, to be willing to change them into what you just left in your own country, to get away from . America, is like an elaborate pot luck dinner, all of us have brought a dish to the table and we will eat together and live as "One Nation Under God" That's "Our" God, in peace. So ,that there will be Liberty and Justice for all.

      Now, I'd say that would be like going to a steak dinner, after having lived on Bologna sandwiches, your whole life... So if you want to live in a democracy please, come here with the thought that you would be willing to accept our laws, abide by them even if they go against your preconceived notions and fight if necessary, to help us maintain these rights.
    • First L  •  19 days ago
      The book is really not that bad. She does go overboard and she does make mistakes, but because she has too much pride she can never own up to her mistakes at those times. And the book is not only about the successes of her parenting. Most of the book is about her psychological warfare with her youngest daughter who fights her at every turn. In the end she gives up on her daughter and lets her do her own thing(western parenting), but her daughter is successful in everything she does because she(tiger mom) teaches her daughter how to apply herself.

      Her thinking is that talent is nothing and everyone has the potential to do anything, but they need to work hard at it.
    • JackieO  •  16 days ago
      I worked in an asian firm for over 10 years ,never met one unhappy child of theirs.They are all warm and very smart. And have made their parents very proud. Get to know a group of people before having and voicing an opinion. Wouldn't hurt you to look at yourself first. Are you a good loving parent? Are your children wise and happy?Will they contribute to society. does yours?he .children I,ve met are .By the way my Chinese boss always valued me as an employee
    • Dan  •  Albuquerque, New Mexico  •  18 days ago
      I'm an American father, married to a woman from Taiwan who is a Tiger mom. You can't argue that the method worked- my son is admitted to an Ivy League school, graduated high school in a state which isn't known for public high school high achievement, but he stood out with his music and tennis. He was forced to learn piano and has said he still loves it. Yes, sometimes my wife berated him for bad grades- a "B" was unthinkable, and a "C" was the same as an "F." Because he knows how to study he got a 32 composite score on his ACT the first time he took it, and graduated with a weighted GPA of 4.3. He did all this without the benefit of being identified as "gifted," didn't participate in science fairs (really parents science fairs in my opinion, having been a regional science fair judge), although many of his classes in high school were AP or honors classes. Practice and discipline are what made the kid what he is today, something most American kids can use more of.
    • kasst  •  Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia  •  17 days ago
      I think its common sense.. its not about chinese or western... another ad campaign?
    • Charlie Chan  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  17 days ago
      This is his daughter writing this to say this is true. Chinese parents do push thier kids really hard, and I know this because I`m Chinese. Luckily, I`m allowed to have sleepovers, have my pick of school activities, I can watch movies, and I used to play piano, but that was until my piano teacher moved.
    • Tommy  •  Santa Clara, California  •  19 days ago
      When you become a parent you raise your children the way you feel is best and the way God would want you to be around your children. Peaceful, Kind, Loving, understanding,Honest.

      ( Parent) AKA meaning "A Par of or couple rent" a child from God he is testing us to see how we will raise his children "not ours" in this world.
    • Crimsoncupjunky  •  Cincinnati, Ohio  •  12 days ago
      I would rather have a chinese reared child around me than an American one. At least Chinese reared children are smart.
    • Nellie  •  West Palm Beach, Florida  •  16 days ago
      NO! Chinese people are not better parents. They are tooo strick, and after looking at the viedo regarding the child in the snow without clothes on, this is a case of stupidy!
    • Sara Coffman-Modrell  •  Spokane, Washington  •  16 days ago
      AS For "Tiger Mom" I agree with her on part of she didn't spoil her children but used them to make money. I agree that she was a little extreme on not letting her children watch TV, use the computer or any of the other stuff. There are educational programs on TV, the computer is very educational also, sleep overs are also good for the kids because it teaches them not to be afraid and to report anything out of the unusual to the parents. I 1/2 & 1/2 on her. I really feel for her daughters & sons if she had any.