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    Pediatricians turn away kids who aren't vaccinated

    When an investigation proved early this year that research linking autism and vaccines was fraudulent, it seemed the debate over when or whether to immunize children might quiet down. But new voices have piped up in the vaccine controversy, and this time, they belong to pediatricians.

    While most parents do choose to vaccinate their children on schedule with their doctors' recommendations, the trend of delaying or opting out of scheduled shots worries many pediatricians. And some pediatric practices are responding by requiring patients to get immunized on schedule or to find another doctor -- no shots, no service.

    Why would a pediatric practice show anti-vaccine families to the door? Dr. Scott J. Goldstein of the Northwestern Children's Practice in Chicago, where a vaccine policy was implemented June 1, said they do it to protect children and to provide better care for all the patients he and the seven other staff pediatricians see.

    Pointing to a strong scientific record supporting vaccinations, Goldstein said his practice's policy serves the most vulnerable children -- like infants and those with critical illnesses who are not able to be immunized -- by protecting them from diseases. All of those children could be in the waiting room together, some pediatricians note, and the unvaccinated ones could be putting the more vulnerable ones at risk.

    "Vaccines are safe and have been studied for a long time and continue to be studied," Dr. Goldstein told Shine. "Vaccines are responsible for saving millions of lives and keeping millions of other children safe and healthy."

    Vaccinating most children contributes to "herd immunity," which helps kids who are too ill to be on the recommended schedule and lowers the overall risk of disease outbreaks.

    "It is a minority of our patients who opt to go off the schedule recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics and CDC (Centers for Disease Control) or not have vaccines at all," Dr. Goldstein said. "This makes it very complicated for our staff to follow. We don't just ask those families to leave. We give them every opportunity to ask questions, to schedule vaccines, to work with us."

    Some parents may not feel the need to put the brakes on vaccines, but do want to compromise by slowing the schedule. Dr. Goldstein said this also poses a danger.

    "Vaccines are scheduled to be given at the time when children are most vulnerable to that disease. Slowing down the process only puts the child at a higher risk of contracting the illness," Dr. Goldstein said.

    The main fear of vaccinating children, he said, is that kids will contract autism, even though research has put to rest those concerns. Other parents are simply afraid that their child will be exposed to too many things early on in their life. Dr. Goldstein said it will take better communication with parents to change the fear-based mindset against vaccinations.

    So far, Dr. Goldstein's practice has mostly heard positive reactions from parents about the new vaccine policy.

    "They are happy we are taking a stand," he said.

    This stand might seem harsh but the wording and the strictness varies among pediatricians. One Massachusetts-based practice puts it bluntly in the policy that takes up a full page of their website: "Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children are not a good fit for our practice and will be referred elsewhere."

    The policy goes on to offer parents who "insist on diverging from the recommended vaccine schedule" a waiver taking responsibility for any risks that result from delaying or opting out of vaccines and offers research, literature, and further conversation to parents on this "worrisome subject." They also thank parents for entrusting the practice with the care of their children, but the pro-vaccination message is clear.

    A pediatric practice in New York takes a gentler, storytelling approach to explaining the historic debate and reasoning around vaccinating, but makes its position very clear (in bolded print on its website): "If, despite our recommendations, you feel you cannot follow the CDC and AAP recommendations for these vaccines, we will ask you to find another health care provider who shares your views."

    The AAP warns that vaccination policies may undermine children's access to health care, stating: "Families with doubts about immunization should still have access to good medical care, and maintaining the relationship in the face of disagreement conveys respect and at the same time allows the child access to medical care. Furthermore, a continuing relationship allows additional opportunity to discuss the issue of immunization over time."

    Although instituting a policy has been working well for Dr. Goldstein's practice, he said he hopes that refusing to see unvaccinated children does not become a trend nationwide.

    "I know the AAP has cautioned against these policies. If I was the only doctor around, I certainly wouldn't want to throw these families to the wind. In our case, in a neighborhood and city with many pediatricians and options for families, we are choosing to protect kids' health," Goldstein said. "We are not making them sick. We are not forcing them. We are not neglecting them."


    Do you agree with a pediatric policy to refuse care to kids who aren't vaccinated?


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    • Cynthia  •  Monroe, Louisiana  •  7 days ago
      Judge Mitting completely exonerated Dr. Wakefield's colleague Dr. Walker-Smith in March, saying that the children had been appropriately treated for their diseases, there had been no fraud, and he reprimanded the GMC for its shallow reasoning and false conclusions. The bottom line is that there was no fraud, the study has not been discredited, and nine of the Lancet Twelve got autism and bowel disease a short time after getting the MMR, like hundreds of thousands of children in the U.S. since that time. My daughter was given the hep-B vaccine at the hospital when she was born, without asking permission and even though I had said I didn't want her to get it. She reacted with four days and nights of endless screaming, vaccine-induced encephalitis, and was later diagnosed with autism.
      If a pediatrician wants to fire a patient for not vaccinating, the sin is on his head, but the parent should run out of his office happy to have learned of his bullying nature and indifference to permanently damaging the children in his charge. All he has to do when they react to a vaccine he has given them is dismiss and deny. No legal liability for him.
    • Grimlock  •  Akron, Ohio  •  2 months ago
      Considering that a majority of people feed their kids a diet filled with genetically-modified organisms/ingredients (GMOs), eat fast food, don't practice typical hygiene routines, encourage their kids to exercise, etc. I suppose vaccinations are a necessary evil. I for one ceased my son's vaccination schedule early on after hours, days, and weeks of independent research on the subject. Interestingly, in this country, we have more and more young people developing chronic health problems despite their being vaccinated.
    • Betsy  •  9 months ago
      Oh my, there are several misconceptions here! There are studies which show both sides of this issue of vaccine/non- vaccine, however the overwhelming majority of stats support natural immunity. If your children are not healthy anyway, add to that with toxic vaccines to protect them from what? When you truly understand natural immunity, vaccines do not make physiological/neurological sense. I am not anti-vaccine - I am pro-natural-immunity.

      The doctors have a right to choose their patient, and the patients have a right to choose their doctor. I believe the premise here is convenience. It takes work to find a doctor who supports your choices, but with the connections through online groups, it can be done!

      Time has shown us that non-vaccinated children are at less risk of disease as they are healthier children - my biggest point here is (to vaccinators) WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG? The long-term detriment is HUGE.
    • Micheal  •  9 months ago
      All you ignorant people would change your minds really fast when your children have a MAJOR vaccine reaction. I would rather not have my son have multiple seizures and be in the NICU with 4 spinal taps. I am PROTECTING my son!!!
    • 3kidsunder4  •  9 months ago
      But are all the doctors and staff fully vaccinated? These vaccines do not last through adulthood. Thinking that herd immunity is in affect is wrong unless every doctor, nurse and parent is vaccinated as well.
    • typoagain  •  10 months ago
      I work in a hospital and quite often have to work with kids that are sick simple because parents have allowed their kids to fall behind on their vaccinations. The main reason, mommy/daddy have been "too busy" to take them to get their shots. But I am expected to work with them and then care for other kids who are already dealing with another illness. Then to top it all off, I have to go home to my own small kids.
      Flu shots are the worst of all. One recent study says that as many as 85% of all the kids hospitalized with the flu had an immediate family member who currently had or was just getting over the flu. The majority of these people where the parents, and are believed to be the probable source for the child’s illness.
    • ThisIsNotCool  •  8 months ago
      ANL, you are an idiot.

      Those are private practices, not tax payer funded or non-profit. Please, don't talk until you actually know what you're saying.

      And yes, sweetie, ANY private company can refuse you.
    • ThisIsNotCool  •  8 months ago
      Clearly IMHO does not read:

      "Pointing to a strong scientific record supporting vaccinations, Goldstein said his practice's policy serves the most vulnerable children -- like infants and those with critical illnesses who are not able to be immunized -- by protecting them from diseases. All of those children could be in the waiting room together, some pediatricians note, and the unvaccinated ones could be putting the more vulnerable ones at risk."
    • Ruth  •  9 months ago
      That investigator proved nothing. There was no fraudulent activity except for that of Brian Deere. It's odd the author wouldn't mention his name. In fact, his ties with Rupert Murdoch are pretty obvious. That Ms. Ashley would say he "proved" anything is a hefty error as an author and suggests some significant and unfortunate gaps in research for this article. She has, at least, been asleep for the past 3 months. Mr. Deere proved only that he's certainly the type of person the Murdoch tyranny would use for their own dark motives. This is the "investigator." Shine isn't shining here. And no, I don't agree with pediatricians putting on thug suits and shutting parents out of childcare. What is this? "Our way or no way?" When doctors refuse the basic rights of their patients (exemption rights) and play God, we're all sunk.
    • C  •  9 months ago
      Sorry, how are they are a threat to vaccinated children? I don't get it. You can't get the disease if you are vaccinated. Unvaccinated children do NOT pose a threat. Good call, IMHO. How could they? If you are vaccinated, you are protected. The vaccine itself can give you the disease, however. Many kids, after their varicella or MMR shots, break out in rashes, fevers, and illness that are every bit as bad as the disease.
    • t  •  9 months ago
      It certainly is a fear based mindset that keeps parents from subjecting their children or themselves to vaccination as much as it is a fear based mindset in which the vaccinations are being forced ... regarding the possability of a child with pertusis being in the same waiting room with a newly pregnant mom- we know any parent can also contracy that disease and being vaccinated does not 100% preclude anyone from getting pertusis, i myself was born premature, month in the hospital with bronchitis, had whooping cough,had measles and german measles Even after being vaccinated.have never and will never have a flu shot, my children will follow an alternate vaccination plan which we were asked to leave a pediatrician practice because they did not wish to 'Work with us' but merely state all the vaccinations are required and we filled out the waiver and i suggested to them that If they were to sign the same type waiver accepting responsability for Harm caused to my child by the vaccinations administered by their office we would allow vaccinations- they refused stating that the manufacturers would need to accept that waiver... facts are that The mutations of cells of the disease are caused by the vaccinated children who DO get the disease in which they are vaccinated for , the mutation happens within the immune system which will cause a change in normal immunity responses... Vaccines have their place when a significant risk occurs ,there is no evidence historically that vaccines had irradicated any disease besides possibly small pox and polio. The cycles of some diseases happen and have happened with and without vaccine . Choices of vaccines are being taken away by only being offered in mixed form- anyone who wishes to get a tetanus shot now is required to have a TdaP which combines 3 vaccines, I unfortunately agreed to have this shot since I could not receive only a tetanus... After this shot I had migraine headaches and a low grade fever and pain in the arm nightly for a week. Whether for or against vaccinations , research should include" Dr. Tenpenny on Vaccines".
    • ellw  •  10 months ago
      My neighbor was paralized from the waist down after contracting polio as a child in the 1940's. My late uncle was blinded after having scarlet fever as a child.

      My children drive in a car almost every day - wearing seatbelts or a child restraint. I do not choose to allow them to ride unrestrained because the rare accident traps and kills or seriously injures a seatbelted person. The much greater danger is death or injury from not being protected. I see vacinations in the same way.

      As a parent of two children, I have both of them vaccinated according to the guidelines. Any vaccine has a certain element of danger or negative reaction. However, the alternative is to allow my children to be exposed to serious, life threatening illnesses with the hope that they will live and not have major complications. I have personally experienced the resluts of no vaccinations, I chose to give them the greatest level of protection I can provide.
      • sarah 2 months ago
        There is no vacine for Scarlet fever. You can get scarlet fever after having strep. No vacine for that either.
    • Mary  •  10 months ago
      What a wonderful country we live in to actually have a choice of whether or not children should be vacinated. Perhaps the dying children in third world countries who do not have the choice,would like to switch places with an American child. Have we become so spoiled and complacent that we can not see the big picture? Has the younger generation not had to see loved ones die of disease? Must be nice to live in a country where there is a "choice" to get your child vacinated and hope it all works out in the end. People with dying children in other countries would sell all their worldy possesion to give their child half the opportunities a child in this country has including vacinations. "To the vicor go the spoils...."
    • bronwyn m  •  10 months ago
      people lump all vaxes together, i like to look at them singly...

      as regards the mmr - measles:- had it, all my bros, cousins, schoolfriends had it, no one we knew died or was damaged from it... it is only dangerous in an immunocompromised child, one with HIV or on chemo. mumps is only dangerous in pre pubescent and pubescent boys and yet the immunity from the vax only lasts for 3 to 5 years, so why do it at 18 months? stupid! as for rubella, the danger is to other people, not to your child, it causes deformity in fetus so you need to decide if potentially protecting other peoples fetus's from the very small risk of your child infecting a pregnant woman justifies injecting your own child with toxins. if you do MMR, split it up and dont do the measles component.

      as for the hep shot at birth, unless your baby is about to have unprotected sex with strangers or share needles, the chance of her catching this sexually transmitted disease is slim. (head desk)

      polio - i dunno which you get there, but it is probably the shot. it is less dangerous than the drop, and if you think your kid is about to be the first reported case of wild polio in the uk in years, go for it.

      bcg is a vax which ONLY protects against the tb strain of meningitis - NOT TB ITSELF. so your child has to contract tb first and then it is protected against tb related meningitis. if you live in a tb rife area you may consider this.

      dtap or dtp - this vax scares me much more than all the others. it is linked in many studies to increased apnea and SIDS. i would be very, very wary of this one. it can be split - but the pertussis (whooping cough) portion is the most dangerous part - and also the most dangerous disease. diptheria and tetanus are both negligable (really, what tiny baby gets a rusty nail or infected cut - tetanus can be given IF this happens) whooping cough is a tough one. i would not give it personally, because i'd rather chance my child catching a random illness than expose her to a known SIDS risk.

      the others, like chicken pox, pneumoccocal etc are for diseases that are not life threatening in the slightest so i dont do much research into them... they are completely unneccessary and only need to be considered if your child is very sickly (and in this case i would run screaming from a doc with a needle to avoid risking my childs already fragile immunity by pumping poison into her)
    • What me worry?  •  10 months ago
      Runa said: "I'd personally rather have a live special-needs child than one cold in the ground."

      Runa,

      Really? Kind of odd logic you use. So am I suppose to be greatful that my child has autism, a condition he was not born with?

      Do you have a special needs child? If not maybe spend some time volunteering to work with severely autistic children. 1 in 70 boys now affected. It's not hard to find an autism family these days. My son is mild to moderately affected and it is still exhausting. I like many autism parents worry about what will happen when we're gone. Without supports, he very likely could die.

      I think you should research how prevalent autism has become and it's not because of advances in medicine that these kids are surviving.
      Autism use to be quite rare. The fact is these kids did not exist in these numbers. Many have been injured by environmental toxins not because they were born this way. Many, like my son, are genetically normal according to DNA tests.

      Autism rates:

      2011: 1 in 110
      2005: 1 in 150
      1990: 1 in 500
      1970: 1 in 5000
      1960: 1 in 10,000
    • Runa  •  10 months ago
      And it is also worth noting: about half the children alive today would be dead if we had the medical technology of 100 years ago. By making more children survive, we're making more children survive who have difficulties; in all honesty, most autistic children would have died before reaching the age of ten due to accident, illness, or something similar. I'd personally rather have a live special-needs child than one cold in the ground.
    • Runa  •  10 months ago
      A doctor does NOT have to treat all comers. There's a very basic problem about making that policy: is it fair to force a dermatologist to treat a colon cancer patient? Of course, that's ridiculous. However, the oncologist and dermatologist have the same degrees; they have different specialties. The pediatricians in the article have chosen to specialize in children using the recommended vaccine schedule.
    • JohnM  •  10 months ago
      I am a pediatrician and when meeting a new couple in a prenatal conference if they indicate to me that they want to opt out of immunizations I give them the names of other doctors in the community that will care for their children. I am selfish because I have seen children die or become permanently disabled by vaccine preventable illnesses. I refuse to put myself through that agony of watching a child suffer or die from an illness that was avoidable..
    • What me worry?  •  10 months ago
      lucky you pipsqueak..my son is not fine.
    • pipsqueak68776  •  10 months ago
      im a mom and all 3 of mine are vaccinated and no they dont have autism,only side affects they had was a sore arm,woopty do a little childrens motrin and they were fine

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