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    Restaurant bans kids under 6. Discrimination or smart move?


    At a PA restaurant it's no shirt, no shoes, no kids, no dice. (ThinkStock Photos)At a PA restaurant it's no shirt, no shoes, no kids, no dice. (ThinkStock Photos) At McDain's Restaurant, in Monroeville, Pennsylvania, kids don't eat free. And starting next week, they don't get to eat at all. Mike Vuick, owner of the Pittsburgh area eatery has just announced a ban on children under 6 at his casual dining establishment.

    After receiving noise complaints from customers about crying kids at neighboring tables, Vuick decided to institute the policy, which will go into effect July 16.

    In an email to customers, Vuick explained: "We feel that McDain's is not a place for young children. Their volume can't be controlled and many, many times, they have disturbed other customers."

    The owner of the "upscale, casual and quiet" restaurant explains to WTAE Local News, he's got nothing against kids in general, but their endless screams at public dinner tables are "the height of being impolite and selfish."

    Last year, North Carolina's Olde Salty restaurant made a similar decision. Owner Brenda Armes posted a sign that read "Screaming children will not be tolerated", making it clear to parents when their kids scream, they'll be asked to take it outside. Armes said the move has boosted business, and Vuick is confident his ban will benefit McDain's as well.

    But not everyone is on board. Some Monroeville locals are offended that they're being singled out for having young kids, and pointing fingers at noisy adults.

    "If they're so concerned about noise, what do they plan to do about the loud people at the bar?" asks one local resident.

    It's not illegal to ban kids from eating establishments, but some parents consider the move discriminatory, and potentially a violation of rights for certain special needs kids. What do you think: are kid-free restaurants a great idea or flat-out wrong?


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    • Miranda  •  25 days ago
      Kids are like pets, in that they are the adults responsibility. If you can't control them, they shouldn't be out in public.
    • Francisco  •  Issaquah, Washington  •  17 days ago
      i think its a bunch of crap myself wanna keep loud children out of restaurants but what about the waitresses and inappropriate clothes its better i say nothing else its all bull
    • Caveat  •  Williston, Vermont  •  2 months ago
      When the kids get older and get a grip on reality, let them go and have a meal. A restaurant is for dining. Not for babysitting.
    • retroshovel  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  2 months ago
      It doesn't matter whether a 5 star resaurant or a no star truckstop - the incessant whine of a misbehaving child is like alcohol on a gash. The parents that have allowed this behavior to go on is what has resulted in these kinds of bans. When I was a young child my mother took me out to some extremely fine resaurants. All the while for some odd reason I KNEW that ANY kind of impropriety on my part would result my being drug into the ladies room and having my hide tanned for a faretheewell!
    • Romi  •  Calgary, Canada  •  2 months ago
      They already have child free restaurants in Edmonton and Calgary AB and it is the greatest
      idea since sliced bread . We need to thank all stupid parents (no discipline) for that . Praise God!!!
    • Patrick  •  Seattle, Washington  •  2 months ago
      screw the brats i want a quiet meal
      • S 2 months ago
        Your fnn #$%$ right. Who wants to hear that ? I remember going to a good restaurant with my parents I was so happy to be there why would i open my mouth ? SPOILED SPOILED ROTTEN BRATS
    • JustMe  •  2 months ago
      I have two children-(13 and 6)-and I do not, nor have I ever expected anyone to cater to myself or my children. My husband and I have always had respect for other passengers, diners, and people in general. The first flight my oldest son took occurred when he was just over a year old. He sat on our laps and we kept him busy with a bag of items bought especially for the trip. Our youngest took his first flight at the age of 2 and we did the same thing with him, had a "busy bag" that truly kept him busy. We received NUMEROUS compliments from other passengers, the flight attendants, and the pilots on the behavior of our children. Those compliments meant a lot to us as there were several other families on the flight with children who did nothing but kick, scream, and act like self-entitled brats the entire flight.

      As a parent I tire of the excuses I hear for the bad behaviors some children demonstrate. Both of my children have special needs-(High Functioning Autism being one of those needs)-and yet both of them know what is expected of them when we are out in public. They know to signal us if they feel overwhelmed and that allows us to remove them from the situation before any meltdown occurs. Perhaps we have a better experience because we have decided to shun traditional therapy and therapists in favor of simply accepting our children as they are and teaching them they can do anything, they don't need to and shouldn't expect the world to cater to them.

      They both know how to use "inside voices"-(Not every child with Autism is non-verbal)-know how to use silverware properly, know how to order their own food in a polite manner, and both know how to open doors for other people. They say please and thank you, and while they may not make eye-contact with everyone, at least they know what is acceptable and what is not when we're in public. Yes, they have sensory issues and become overwhelmed easily, but it is our job as parents to know what their limits are and know what places we can and cannot take them too. Then again, we treat them as "normal" and don't expect anything from the world around us. They have chores, they have expectations, and they know they can accomplish anything they want. So please, stop using "Special Needs" as an excuse for allowing a child to run amok through a restaurant, or scream on a plane.

      In terms of banning children who misbehave, I'm all for it. I would never allow my children to pull someone's hair or kick the back of a seat and I expect other parents will behave as parents and STOP their children from misbehaving as well. Unfortunately these bans hurt parents like my husband and I, parents who have worked to teach their children what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.
    • darla m  •  San Francisco, California  •  2 months ago
      I don't care about the reason or who suffers. I waited tables from 1970-1985 in a restaurant that had a "no children allowed" policy. It was a dinner house with full service bar. I was threatened with everything from I'm suing, I'm callling the police and I will NEVER be back. PERFECT! I stayed there for 15 years. It was the best job I had. I was so blessed that I found this job that helped me raise my children, put food on the table, bought the clothes my kids needed. Most of all I saved my tips for a down payment on my first home. Bottom line there are fast foods places. How about Chucky Cheese? GO THERE.
    • Fat Maggot  •  San Diego, California  •  2 months ago
      Brilliant! Child free dining is the wave of the future!
      • Suze P 2 months ago
        Down with bad parenting perpetuating BAD MANNERS!
    • VENUS  •  2 months ago
      It's good to see that there are SOME parents who take responsibility for their child's behavior, because, as a rule, that's not the case. A whole generation is being brought up without proper guidance and discipline.
      Parents with kids in a public place: The rest of us form our impression of YOU through your little ones.
    • Malandra  •  Tampa, Florida  •  2 months ago
      As I have mentioned on related articles, if more parents were more considerate of other patrons, up to the possibility of removing their child if they refuse to be controlled, fewer people would be in favor in this. I'm sorry these parents feel they are being punished for having children, but why must strangers be punished for accidentally eating in the same restaurant as your child? Try to frame it as punishing your child, instead, and if they lose out enough times, maybe they will learn. You have my sympathy that your child is being uncooperative, but the responsibility to deal with this does not belong to strangers.
    • WorldNextDoor  •  2 months ago
      Yeah, I think Americans do have the brattiest kids. Why is that? Maybe the culture just lavishes attention to bratty adults, and I will not mention names - there are enough to go around - so the young parents feel that it's ok or beyond their control if their childen are bratty as well. And I'm sure yours are the exception, so don't bother refuting or replying.
    • MegG  •  Troy, New York  •  2 months ago
      How about banning inappropriate noise levels all together? Some adults were never schooled in the art of voice tone. Want names?
      • Suze P 2 months ago
        Have you ever heard parents screaming directions at their unruly brats? The adults are Neanderthals but they teach the kids to be like them.
    • Caveat  •  Williston, Vermont  •  2 months ago
      That ban...omg...now I can't bring Susie to the Red Lobster...oh I wish these people who are against the ban would grow up.
    • Willywatch  •  Detroit, Michigan  •  2 months ago
      Be Ready to Go out of Business Restaurants that Do This I Will Make Sure That you are Not in Business When I Make a Phone Call to the Customer Protection Act . See you in Court Time to Take Action Against Child Discrimination Act See these Restaurants are Shut Down
      • Suze P 2 months ago
        I remember being in a swanky restaurant for a late meal after 9PM and there was a family with 2 kids under the age of 6 who spent the majority of time running around the restaurant chasing each other while the parents ate.

        They ended up knocking a tray stand full of desserts over and the manager asked the couple to leave. They created a very LOUD ugly scene as the manager told them he was doing them a favor by NOT charging them the cost of the destroyed desserts/dishes. One elderly man shouted what are those kids doing up past their bed time?

        There is a liability factor involved with bringing children into a restaurant and turning them loose unsupervised. Apparently parents are not aware until it's time for a law suit.
      • Caveat 2 months ago
        Willywonka, or whatever your name is...you're talking an adult discrimination act. We have to let little monsters disturb us while we are trying to enjoy a meal. That's what babysitters are for. Babies are still learning how to behave in public. Let them learn somewhere else while I have my meal in peace.
      • Caveat 2 months ago
        Yes, Dawn all toddlers and babies are like that. ALL of them. It's just a matter of timing, but you're never gonna see a little baby sit and read Time magazine while they're waiting for an appetizer. Children can be children, as you pointed out, but only in designated areas.
    • Willywatch  •  Detroit, Michigan  •  2 months ago
      Just Remember I Bite I am the Nation Watch Dog
    • Lisa  •  Tucker, Georgia  •  2 months ago
      The same screaming kid follows me to every Walmart in and out of the continental United States...lol
      • mom 15 days ago
        Yep, me too . LOL LOL and the concerts, and church, and the grocery store, and the laundrymat and and and . LOL I am so sick of it.
    • The Fuzz  •  2 months ago
      I like small children when their making my clothes, shoes, electronics or picking diamonds for my girl. But not while I'm having dinner.
    • jamie  •  Redmond, Washington  •  2 months ago
      If all resturants ban children under 6 we are going to have an epidemic of kids over 6 acting up in the same setting. You have to expose children to a resturant setting in order to teach them how to behave in a resturant. I completely agree that if they start screaming get them outside as quickly as possible, not only to keep from disturbing the other guests but to distract and talk to the child about their behavior as well. It lets them know you mean serious business and you guys are leaving if he doesn't correct his behavior.
    • kitty  •  2 months ago
      I think if you don't want to be bothered by any noise,then stay home!Sometimes adults are noisier in restaurants than kids!

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