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    3 strikes against curvy women

    Fashion models in double-digit sizes? Christina Hendricks steaming up 'Mad Men'? We love our curvy girls. But let's not fool ourselves. Life, in general, is still easier for the lean. Yet another new study hammers home the reality that tall, thin women (bonus for weensy waists and long arms) are rated most attractive. And despite all the new science on the causes of obesity, it seems that a distaste for weight runs deep in the aquifers of the American psyche. Recently, in fact, it became clear just how dearly women pay for carrying a few extra pounds.


    STRIKE ONE - Skinnier paychecks
    Obese women earn about 6 percent less than thinner women for doing exactly the same work, according to Rebecca Puhl, PhD, director of research at the Rudd Center for Food Policy & Obesity at Yale University. "That wage penalty has been consistently documented," she says. "It's pretty bad." What's new is that males don't take nearly the hit. A study just out from George Washington University breaks down the penalties as follows: Among the obese, the annual cost is $4,879 for a woman and only $2,646 for a man. Among overweight employees, the numbers are $524 versus $432. "This disparity is attributable mostly to lost wages and absenteeism," the authors write. But Puhl notes that being stigmatized about your weight makes you much more likely to suffer from depression and anxiety, and to resort to unhealthy behaviors, all of which may impact absenteeism. "It's a vicious cycle," she says. "And women are the most vulnerable."

    How much? Puhl's team published studies in 2008 showing that discrimination is not only three times more common in obese ladies than gents, but it starts at lower weights. "We're observing this around a BMI of 27 in women," she says, referring to a "body mass index" that would, for example, describe a 5 foot-5 inch person weighing 162 pounds. In men, discrimination doesn't start kicking in until they are at least a BMI of 35-same height but 210 pounds.

    "Overweight people are already aware of being discounted in terms of fashion and dating; they know that physicians treat them more poorly," says Alice Domar, PhD, an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School and executive director of the Domar Center for Mind.Body Health. "And on top of that to be discriminated against at work? It's like hitting somebody when they're already down." Unfortunately Puhl's data shows that weight bias is only getting worse. "With the prevalence of obesity increasing, you'd think there would be more tolerance in society," she says. "There is not."


    STRIKE TWO - Little help if you're fired
    After working at Hooters for five years, Leanne Convery, 23, was told "to make her extra-small shirt and shorts fit more properly, or she would be terminated," according to the complaint she filed against the eat-and-party restaurant chain. A single mother in Michigan, she says she was given 30 days to lose weight. And she did-15 pounds, by her account. But at 4 foot-11 inches and 115 pounds, she was still fired for failing her weight probation. "The uniforms come in double extra small, extra small, and small," comments her lawyer, Michael Gatti. "People say, 'What do you expect for working at Hooters?' What you expect is to be treated decently."
    At least Convery can sue. Michigan is the only state with an anti-weight discrimination statute. There's no national law to protect workers. "When we don't have legislation about this issue, it sends the message that it's okay for employers to discriminate," says Puhl. Whether Hooters will have to pay remains to be seen. The company has denied asking any employee in Michigan to lose weight, though it did say their restaurants occasionally "challenge employees about their image," according to Reuters. Convery is asking for $25,000 in damages.

    STRIKE THREE - An obstacle to climbing the career ladder
    The General Accounting Office recently reported that in 2007 women made up about 40 percent of managers. It was barely a nudge up from 39 percent in 2000. There's also-no surprise-a 19-cent pay gap, with women earning 81 cents for every $1 made by their male counterparts. Most depressingly, at this career level mothers fare worse, getting only 79 cents for every dollar fathers do. Another reason women don't advance is that they get discouraged, says Marie Wilson, founder and president of The White House Project, a nonprofit devoted to helping women attain leadership roles. According to groundbreaking research they released this year, she says, "women just aren't seen in a way that allows them to make progress. So they leave because they feel that they don't belong, or that they're not doing a good enough job."
    As for weight? "Boy, to act like appearance doesn't matter would be terribly naive," Wilson says. "It's still a major issue. For years we've had to go around using our beauty to try to get up the ladder. The truth is, when women have real power, all this weight stuff will go away."

    Hey ladies, have you ever been discriminated against for your weight?

    For more unfair curve balls...
    Can a Nail Salon Charge a Fee for Fat?

    Should Curvy Girls be Banned from a Club?
    Are Doctors Biased Against Overweight Women?



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    1,194 comments

    • Samantha  •  10 months ago
      First off, like someone said, there is a difference between curvy and obese. And second, fat is such an un-intelligent describing word that it shouldn't be used. Obese...fine, but fat is unacceptable. As for the hooters situation, YES it is WRONG. Making someone push their daily work (replying to Susan Tues response) into personal areas in their lives is wrong. Someone can't just quit their job because Hooters has specifics requirements. Its not that easy. This idea is completely defining the skinny is perfect mentality that Americans seem to have. Don't be dumb, it's wrong to fire someone for their looks, you fire someone for their work PERFORMANCE. Wow, the future of America is not looking good at all.
    • Verdad  •  1 year 0 months ago
      The helpfulness of this article is questionable, true. However, the comments to the article explain why this type of discrimination may exist . People putting their two-cents in when they know nothing but the "health" issue is quite idiotic, especially when all they say is what they were taught: discriminate against anyone who is different from them. The real issue here is how to stop discrimination of all types, instead of being the reason it continues to exist.
    • Han  •  1 year 0 months ago
      What kind of world are we living in were normal is now consider 14-16? Being overweight is not normal and we shouldn't have to accept it either. Overweight people should just accept that they are usually unhealthy, sometimes unpleasant to look at and need to change. Why do we, as a society, the healthy people among us who work hard to stay healthy, have to accept fat overweight lazy people?
    • Vixen Lamoore  •  1 year 3 months ago
      I have never found my curves to be an issue when being hired by men but women just dont want me around the office
    • WoofBlitzer  •  1 year 7 months ago
      Is this article chiding people who are obese or the people who discriminate? Everyone seems to think it's their right to judge a person solely on their weight. These are human beings no matter what the reason for their obesity. Treat them as such. They have as much worth as the "holier-than-thous's" whose sins may be more deeply hidden.
    • YumYum  •  1 year 7 months ago
      People judge, get over it, its the world we are living in!
    • Real Estate Ladie  •  1 year 7 months ago
      Women today are struggling with weight more than EVER before. Hmmm I wonder if it has to do with the hormones that are in dairy and meats we are eatting daily. Women are lectured about eatting plenty of calicum and pretein for healthy bones however I know it is making ME Fat!
      I think the USDA and the US food admin should take a deep look into the hormones they allow in our food we consume each day. Even the veggies in stores today are sprayed with chemicals that could effect human reaction to weight! Gosh it is frustrating to live in an era where you fear or wonder if food in grocery stores are TOXIC!
    • .  •  1 year 7 months ago
      This article just goes to show, there is no improvement whatsoever in this year 2010, we think people are more opened minded. Not even.
      3 strikes? Sure what are we playing here? Baseball?
    • Gina  •  1 year 7 months ago
      Hey ann talk about what you know, if I go any lower then a 14 i am anorexic looking the way im built along with my height I can not weigh less the 165 so that's a bunch of crap.
    • casanova  •  1 year 7 months ago
      it hasn't stopped oprah!!!!
    • Lollipop  •  1 year 7 months ago
      I laugh at this entire concept. I am 6'0 tall, female and maintain a body weight of approx. 192. I had a Doctor tell me I was overweight and that my "Idea" weight was between 155-160. I told the Doctor absolutely NOT. Since he insisted I decided to prove to him how badly wrong he was. It took me about a year but I dropped my weight down to 165. You could count my ribs, My shoulder bones protruded more. My collar bone was pronounced and everyone I knew that I had cancer I looked horrible, unrested and spent. I went to the same Doctor and he said I was underweight not because of my BMI, but because of how deficient I looked. The sad thing is they come up with these numbers as a basis for all and everyones metabolism is different, not only that but everyones body breaks down food differently depending on your bodies needs. Do I consider myself FAT, HELL NO. I have built in pleasure grips and no bone crunching happens here.
    • Jackie  •  1 year 7 months ago
      Some bimbo posted that normal average size is 6-8!! While I'm the last person to take up for obese people, I don't know anyone who wears a 6-8!! That's not average today!! When I wore a dress size 11 I was perfectly thin, but when I got up to a 14, I knew I was getting out of control weight wise, most women that wear an 11 are reasonably thin, and look fine- 6-8 is NOT average, but if you wear a 14-16 that's not average either, or at least shouldn't be considered average, it means put down the freakin' donuts!! Only an 11 is average, nothing less, nothing more- everyone needs to wear an 11, Jackie's law!! :)
    • Disgruntled  •  1 year 7 months ago
      Since when does "curvy" equal "obese?" I"m almost 5' 10" and am a size 12 or 14 and have to buy "curvy" sizes because I carry more weight in my lower body. That hardly means I am obese. Articles like this and ignorant comments made by other women are the only discrimination I have ever had in relation to my size. I am beyond tired of hearing petite women telling me that I must be fat and unhealthy because I wear a double digit size. Well, newsflash...a size 12 or 14 on a 5' 10" body is a hell of a lot different than one on a 5' 2" body. I also have been exercising regularly for the last 17 years and part of the reason I have a "curvy" lower body is because I have muscular legs.
      Women come in all shapes and heights so it is completely arbitrary to say someone is fat because they don't wear a size 6 or an 8. Calling someone "obsese" who wears a 14 or 16 is completely ridiculous.
    • Julie  •  1 year 7 months ago
      This article SUX! It really disappoints me in Shine.
    • david  •  1 year 7 months ago
      Well, it makes sense. Why should anyone pay for someone else's fatassery?
    • Karin  •  1 year 7 months ago
      The comments for this article crack me up.

      Listen - I am 5'9 and 252 lbs. and, yes, I wear a Size 16. I work 2 jobs, one FT and one PT Temp. so there are some weeks where I am working upwards of 70-80 hours/week. I also do a very rigorous form of folk dance (contra dancing) on the weekends, and I also bicycle. Not the wimpy exercise bike-in-the-living-room either; I am outside in the elements, either 80F+ temps and blazing sun in the summer, or the 40F temps. and 15 MPH winds I've been dealing with the past 2 weeks. I've been clocked at 17.2 MPH, and I have been very consistant in riding 7 miles in 32 minutes with no breaks over varied terrain. I ride a 12-speed with both front and rear derailleurs set on the upper gears as much as possible. I prefer NOT to ride on the flat because it is boring; I prefer varied terrain - flats combined with inclines and declines.

      It was a common practice for me over the summer to take a 14-mile bike ride in the morning, and go contra dancing in the evening - on consecutive weekend days (Saturday AND Sunday) Riding in 80+ temperatures and oftentimes very high humidity levels. We're talking about not getting in from the dance until 1:00 AM (after an hour drive to get home) and then getting up at 8:00 Sunday morning for another 14 mile ride, and then going to a 2nd dance Sunday night, plus taking 2-3 slightly shorter rides during the week.

      I know I'm doing something right when I talk to people who ARE in "better shape" than I'm in and they can't fathom keeping that kind of an exercise schedule themselves. I'd like to see some of the "curvy woman" haters on this comment thread attempt to keep that kind of a schedule, under those kind of conditions. And, please, don't compare sitting on an exercise bike in an air-conditioned room (or heated during the winter) to the kind of cycling that I do. It's hardly the same thing. Not even close.
    • What Now  •  1 year 7 months ago
      Heavier women earn less pay for the same reasons men who are shorter men do.
    • whatever  •  1 year 7 months ago
      Blah, blah...most people have trouble "fitting in" in some aspect of their life...I know I do, and it has nothing to do with my weight. Do I cry about it? Nope, just be yourself and keep on keeping on. Not everyone is going to respect and/or like you...deal with it. It's called life.
    • Jackie  •  1 year 7 months ago
      A 6-8 isn't average, but neither is 14-16. When I wore a size 11, I was perfectly skinny, but when I got up to a 14 I realized I had to do something quickly!! A 14-16 should NEVER be considered average by anyone!! If you're a 14, it means skip the hearty breakfast and put the donut's down!!! But most women are still quite thin if they wear an 11!! But anyone that pushes the garbage that a 6-8 is average is thinking in modeling terms and it has no bearing in real life whatsoever.
    • JillT  •  1 year 7 months ago
      How has this article caused so much debate about obesity? Yes, obesity is a problem. No, we should not ignore that. This article is not saying "Obesity is OK!" Read the article. It's about people making less money than other people because they are fat. Equal work. Equal motivation. Unequal pay. Is it right? THAT'S what should be debated. BOOM.

      In an ideal world all the ugly people, unfashionable people, fat people, beautiful people, the smokers and Lady Gaga would be treated equally, but our society just doesn't work that way.

      Quit trolling on the fatties, and actually read the article. There are plenty of places where you can display the bitterness and resentment you feel towards overweight people. Just google "I enjoy talking smack about fat people;" I'm sure there's a forum somewhere.

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