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    Does going to college make you smarter—or poorer?

    With top-tier colleges charging as much as $50,000 per year, the idea that students may spend their first two years learning next-to-nothing is enough to make parents pause. How can you make that investment worthwhile? And does going to college really make you smarter?

    It depends on what you study-and whether you study enough.

    A "Room for Debate" discussion at the New York Times earlier this week tackled the issue, with several academics weighing in on whether college is worthwhile, and whether schools are dumbing down their curricula to appeal to more people. In their new book, "Academically Adrift," sociologists Richard Arum of New York University and Josipa Roksa of the University of Virginia found that 32 percent of the students they followed did not take "any courses with more than 40 pages of reading per week" in a typical semester, and half of the students didn't take any course in which they had to write more than 20 pages for the class." Using these criteria, they determined that 45 percent of college students make little academic progress during the first two years of a four-year degree.

    Their research raises a few red flags. On the one hand: Is it any surprise that a public school system forced to "teach to the test" churns out students who are averse (or flat-out unable) to thinking analytically, learn on their own, or write a research paper? On the other: Does the number of pages read + the number of pages written = an accurate assessment of academic progress? A literature or history major, for instance, would have far more reading to do than a math major, but the math workload isn't lighter lifting just because it involves reading fewer pages per week.

    And yet, the case for students learning less is a compelling one: A March 2010 report by two University of California researchers found that the amount of time students spend studying has dropped drastically over the past 40 years, from 40 hours a week in 1961 to 27 hours a week in 2003. One possible reason? Colleges are spending less of their budgets on instruction and more of it on recreation and student services, according to a July 2010 report by the Delta Cost Project. Most colleges are businesses after all, and the pressure to attract new students (and more money) is intense.

    So, if colleges are focusing on building spa-like rec centers and luxury dorms instead of improving their academics, is a college education even worth the money anymore? Many academics and experts still think it is.

    "Yes, college is worth the money-if you choose 
your classes wisely, take advantage of campus activities that teach you
 hands-on, transferable skills, and attend a school that gives you the
 strength and courage to focus on what you enjoy doing," says Steven Roy Goodman, an educational consultant and admissions strategist at Topcolleges.com.

    "Going to college brings other important benefits, such as more developed analytical, numerical and communication skills, that will help you perform in the workplace and progress up the career ladder," agrees Danny Byrne, an undergraduate specialist and content manager for TopUniversities.com "College will introduce you to intelligent people from a huge range of backgrounds, and as your career progresses the value of this network of contacts may prove to be immeasurable."

    Those types of things are difficult to assess in a survey or on a test, though. Which may be why so many educators and students take issue with the idea that college freshmen and sophomores are slacking off instead of studying.

    "Even if a student enters college with no career goals, college is the best place to discover those goals," points out Robert Neuman, former Associate Dean for Academic Development in the College of Arts and Sciences at Milwaukee's Marquette University and the author of "Are You Really Ready for College: A College Dean's 12 Secrets for Success." "The more education anyone has, the more advantages he or she will have in the job market."

    Some point out that the skills you gain matter more than the degree you earn.

    "For me, college is about a life experience," says Jim Joseph, president of independent marketing firm Lippe Taylor. "Is it vital to getting ahead? Not sure anymore. With entrepreneurialism at an new high, you just need a good idea and some determination to make a name for yourself. Or if you have a specific skill set, there are many ways to build and exploit that."

    University of Florida graduate Candy Keane now runs a business (Three Muses, a clothing store) that has nothing to do with her degree (in magazine journalism). But still, "I could not have done all that I have without what I learned from college," she says. "I learned graphic design, layout, photography, Photoshop, PR, writing, web design-all the things that I was able to use and build on to start my business myself."

    So what courses should a college-bound kid take in order to make the most of his or her (or your) time and money? The experts and students we talked to suggested that all students take these types of classes, regardless of their majors or grad-school plans:

    • Public speaking or acting
    • Sales
    • Marketing
    • Public relations
    • Entrepreneurship
    • Computer programming, especially HTML
    • Introduction to psychology
    • Introduction to economics
    • Communication/Writing
    • Internships that offer hands-on experience in a field

    "Yes, college is certainly worth the money!" says David Reynaldo, co-founder of College Zoom. "Had I not gone to college, I never would have found the network, inspiration, or know how to make my dream come true."

     

    1,029 comments

    • Danny  •  1 year 2 months ago
      I don't get it. In my Freshman year, I went to a simple community college half-time and had to do tons of reading just for two classes. What kind of bogus article is this?
    • notesfromtheground  •  1 year 2 months ago
      A big percentage of why college is important is because it is the only form of education our society values. Places will not hire without a college degree, but there should be other options. For instance, the brain memorizes better according if it is in the environment the information is about. ("Brain Rules") Therefore couldn't there be an option for a four year internship instead of college?

      Some individuals can skate through college without learning much. Isn't finding someone that cares for the individual business, willing to work hard, and will to learn more important than college. Of course not all businesses and professions can get away with hiring like this.

      Also, everyone learns different. College and class rooms only cater to certain individuals who do well in class room environments. College isn't perfect. It is good for some, but there could be better ways of education besides college.
    • Kyle  •  1 year 2 months ago
      I have never been pressured to go to college. I do think it's a good institution for maybe 20-25% of the students there. I dropped out of HS got a GED and went to Community College. That was the last 3 years of my life. Now? Well, I find the loans rather high and don't wish to rack up any more debt by staying so I left. Next chapter of my life? I have no idea actually. Anyway, let life happen. I do know some parents pressure their kids to do incredible things but the only person who can make them do anything is themselves. I know highschools are pretty dumbed down right now. 2 youngest people I know are in HS and they have 4 classes each day. One of them is a junior. So why not transfer it over to the colleges? If you think about it those dumbed down students of now are gonna be the dumbed down collegians of the future. It would be no surprise to me if colleges dumb down to fill those nice 50,000 dollar chairs. They gotta make money somehow, right?
    • Vanessa  •  1 year 2 months ago
      Having a degree does not give you more chances at work. It only depends on what you go for. I graduated law school, then moved to another state and it is totally worthless. It actually has made it even more difficult for me to get a job because according to people with such a degree I can do whatever I want and I can find a great job. Well, not true. I am over qualified for 50% of the jobs and underqualified for the rest, or simply have the wrong career. If I would have chosent to take the bar in every single state we moved to, perhaps it could mean something, but it was quite frankly $75 K tossed in the trash in terms of work worth material. It was great for personal knowledge and it broadens your mind, but in terms of a career was the worse decission I have ever made. Still looking for a job, and as soon as people sees that JD I am always out of the race. This is a city that only provide opportunities for the medical and engeniering field.
      In conclusion, having a carreer does not always help, it only matters if you picked the right one.
    • JD  •  1 year 2 months ago
      What a waste of our PRECIOUS time!!
    • dave  •  1 year 2 months ago
      for the same amount of money people spend to go to college for four years they could buy their own business and be their own boss
    • unknown  •  1 year 2 months ago
      a person here said college isn't for everyone. i have to agree. we still have the mentality of 'education is key to success' which is still very much true. but after a decade our of high school, i see way too many people not doing anything related to the degree they've received in college, or not doing anything at all. i see people that have graduated from expensive private universities, and a year later attend a vocational school for something completely different because they either can't find a job in that field, or they didn't really want to go into that field they went to school for. now they're struggling to pay back the hundreds of thousands or whatever amount they spent on an education that ended up being useless to them. a comment in the article said "even if a student enters college with no career goals, college is the best place to discover those goals." it's just a shame that for some, it costs so much to discover in the end it was a waste of their time and money.
    • BONGWADDA  •  1 year 2 months ago
      First two years a waste?? SO WHAT? Just like any other "debt" or "life challenge"--learn from your mistakes pay off everything as quickly as possible and get on with the REST of your life!! Just remember that things don't ALWAYS go as smoothly as one would like --- in other words--S--T happens--DEAL WITH IT!! GOOD LUCK KIDDIES!!! YOU'LL NEED IT!!
    • Anonymous  •  1 year 2 months ago
      The problem is so many people around my age (20) are foolish enough to not realize the fact that you NEED to get a degree in an area that has DEMAND if you truly want to get a job when you get out of college to pay back those student loans.

      Good luck with a literature degree- if that's your passion then fine, but realize the FACT that you will STRUGGLE to get a job when you graduate from college. So you want to be a Graphic Designer? GREAT. just realize that if you choose that route it will be TOUGH and there is no solid guarentee.

      Now look at Nursing, Radiography, Physical Therapists etc. The odds are in your favor in these areas. If you fail to get a job at one place you can go to the bajillion of other hospitals in this country that are in DIRE need of nurses. There's a LOT of opportunity here. It's TOUGH tho... you have to be up for the challenge. I just took a GRUELING anatomy course in my college and had to drop out because my grade was too low. I'm NOT giving up though because I want to build a solid future for myself with job security.

      I'll retake it again. I'll invest whatever time I need to ensure the next go around that I'm a success. More than anything college isn't for the faint of heart. You have to have passion. You have to know what your fighting for. You have to know what this education and degree can do for you in your life in order to have the drive to do well in your studies.

      Are some college classes a waste of time? Of course, depending on the professor of course. but really how you apply what you learned is up to YOU. YOU were the one who decided to sign up for the class. No one forced you too. Don't go pointing the finger at the government or saying oh college is bad, it was horrible.

      It's only optional, just like knowledge. You don't have to strive to better yourself; but if you want to excel your level of thinking; if you want to challenge the core of your soul and discover the various knowledge and opportunities out there I think college is a fairly decent venue for that.

      Just be weary over what degree your aiming for. Do you like it? Is it in DEMAND? what are my odds of getting a job after college?

      However... also remember... to have fun! College is a unique social experience that can be enjoyed by anyone of any age regardless of socio-economic background or age. If you have a passion for learning and a drive to succeed then college is for you.

      If you hate learning and just want a quick way to a quick job then you shouldn't be in college. It's a LONG journey and it takes a LOT of patience. So you gotta learn to LIKE the experience.
    • April  •  1 year 2 months ago
      Many kids today ARE pressured to go to college. This is a sad thing to put on your child. I am a parent who had those expectations put on me. Now I have a Junior and two more coming up. My husband and I have always tryed to point out to them their giftings and the things they really enjoy as well the importance of family and motherhood. They're all girls. We have told them to discover what your giftings are and decide what you want to be or do and then ask yourself if that requires college. If so, go. If not, that's okay. Go do it.

      Another thing that bugs me is the expectation that parents are suppose to pay for their kid's college. That's crap! My parents paid for mine and it was a waste. Most all of it. I never wanted to go but was expected. I went, then got a job, got married, had children. I worked until our first one was born and have been home ever since. I knew when I was 16 what I wanted. To be a homemaker and wife, and mother.

      I know many, many young women today who truely desire that too. But, feel as though it is wrong to want that and just go with the system. Which is broken by the way. They go to college, then get married, and have children, and quit their jobs. Not all but many. Or they get married and pass on the debt to their husbands. Wrong idea to start a marriage off that way.

      We have told our girls to get a job you enjoy doing and go to the local community college if you want and work your way through. Who ever said you have to finish in 4 years. Do it in 6 or 7. Doesn't matter. When you finish on the other side you will be debt free.

      My oldest loves to sew and design and has since 4th grade. She's very creative and artistically gifted. She got her first job at a fabric store. Perfect for her and she loves it. Our job as parents are to protect our daughters and sending them out on their own is not always a good idea.

      We paid for them to go to private school thru 8th grade and then on to public high school. College is on them. They can totally live at home for free and work and go to school. We feel it wisest to go from our home of a loving family to their own home when they marry. Our course they are not required but have been taught the wisdom is this old fashioned idea. They will be totally prepared to run their own homes and care for children some day. They will hopefully all have skills to earn money from home to "help out" if need be. The family and home need to be put back in to priority.
    • Scott  •  1 year 2 months ago
      I have a Bachelor's degree in Elementary Education, to which, I went to college when I was in my early 30's because I knew I was not ready to go straight out of high school. I don't necessarily think that going to college makes you smarter. It does, however, show potential employers that you have the ability to lean and to think on a higher level; more analytical.
    • Sammi  •  1 year 2 months ago
      What ever happened to the days when job experience was equal to payed education? There are people who have been in fields for 25 years that don't have degrees, they are passed up for jobs in favor of kids fresh out of collage. Yes the kid spent 4 years getting a degree, but he will spend another 25 years getting the knowledge and skill, to do the job at the same quality. The world needs to realize that the four years someone spent actually doing the job is equal to (or worth more) the 4 years someone spent planning to do the job. Education is acquired in many ways, sometimes it is acquired by actually doing the work, not just planning on doing the work. Amazing that you still have to be an apprentice Plumber (on the job training) but to be a chemical engineer all you have to do is buy a degree.
    • JD  •  1 year 2 months ago
      What a load of crap! I have found "life experience" early on is whats important to develop skills to deal with life.. Why waste YEARS of your early life getting a useless degree, AND placing yourself in DEEP DEBT before you even start!!! No thanks! I've known more than a few geniuses with VERY high IQ's who have made the choice of NEVER going to any sort of college, they've chosen to learn on their own(including myself) and are much happier, and far more talented then the average graduate.. Too bad the masses won't wake up, and believe the lies we've been brainwashed with for the last 50 years!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
    • popeye1250  •  1 year 2 months ago
      Some of the smartest people I've ever met never went to college and some of the dumbest did.
      There are many jobs that just don't require a degree to do yet they "require" a degree to get."
      We have many people in govt. jobs making $80k for doing what are essentially secretarial jobs!
      They've been "feathering their nests" for the last 30 years at the expense of the Taxpayers.
    • Angie  •  1 year 2 months ago
      Some people take liberal arts because they enjoy them and not because of getting a degree. A lot of liberal arts colleges are intensive, look at Williams and Amherst. Sometimes the bright take liberal arts and find lucrative career's in government and journalism.Smart people are not only found in the Math's and Sciences. Plenty successful people did not take the typical route of "achievement."
    • Llh  •  1 year 2 months ago
      College can be VERY worth it if you keep in mind two concepts:

      1) The kid must be motivated. There's no use in dropping Tommy, who spent his high school years eating pencil shavings and sleeping in class, off at a 4-year institution if he has no drive to succeed himself. Those who succeed in college are those who: may not know the specific 'job' they would like, but have a ballpark idea of a theme or area of interest they'd like to persue; are active participants in academic, extra-curricular activities and clubs; and those who excelled in school who crave the challenge.

      2) The college must FIT THE KID! Typically, people who start college and do poorly are those who aren't necessarily doomed, they just haven't found the right fit. Some people find they fit right in at a big university with great focus on athletics and a strong sense of school unity (shout out to The Ohio State Buckeyes!) while others find they thrive on a smaller, more close-knit institution more fit to students with similar needs.
    • Bill Melater  •  1 year 3 months ago
      College used to be part of the exploratory process, as young adults sought to identify the paths that their lives would take, including careers. It has become too expensive today for that role to continue, but Americans still regard college as the logical and most prestigious step after high school. What is missing is a guided transition from grade 12 to the beginning of one's career. Our kids are generally more immature than those of past generations and often struggle to successfully navigate this stage of their lives. With our rapidly-changing technological and economic landscapes, we parents often lack the insights to help them find their sense of direction. I believe that we really need an individualized, intensive educational program designed to help students identify their post-high school career path, then prepare to successfully pursue it. Instead of spending 4 years preparing all high school students for college, it makes more sense to educate students about career options that are consistent with their individual talents and interests, then help them prepare for the required post-high school training. This would probably require an extra year of school, but in cooperation with local community colleges, technical colleges, businesses, etc. It would cost more, but would provide a greater return on that investment than does our current one-track system.
    • DB  •  1 year 3 months ago
      I would tell most young people to go work at McDonalds or Walmart or other low paying jobs and wait until the economy gets better because when they graduate those are still the jobs they're going to be working.

      Is a degree useful? Right now after going back and getting mine, I'd say 'NO!' Employers value experience not education. A degree is just another tool they use to disqualify you.

      Are employers lying to the gov and telling them they want better educated employees. Yes. Truth is, what they really want are college grads who will work for minuim wage like they do in other countries.

      Sorry folks, the truth hurts.
    • Hal  •  1 year 3 months ago
      What I find rather amusing, is that there is no debate about going to college. College is for some and not for some. My grandfather made millions and did not go to college. He found a niche, and made a business. There are some people, who can't do a research paper and when you explain to them this is a 10th grade level of writing, they get upset and say I get great grades on my papers. I just laugh at them. What will I do with acting, there is much to be learned in college. Some people are professional students who will do nothing with the degree, some of us actually use are degrees. It's not real hard its 90% mental 10% circumstances!
    • myworthlessdegree.com  •  1 year 3 months ago
      A college degree is a product of the Higher Education Industry. The value of the degree is based upon the quality of the education and the difficulty in attaining the degree. Similar to a precious metal or a luxury brand, the value is derived from its perceived quality and exclusivity.

      Unfortunately, the Higher Education Industry's primary focus is maximizing profits, with the goal of offering a degree to anyone with a pulse. Over the last decade, colleges and universities have significantly increased enrollment and issued a record number of degrees. They have become diploma mills. Turning out as many degrees as possible with no regard to the quality of their graduates or the skills provided to them. This has resulted in the grave decline in academic standards characterized by hyper-grade-inflation where most college graduates leave school with a 3.0 or higher grade point average.

      Furthermore, a college degree is not issued with a warranty so the Higher Education Industry has no stake in their student’s success. Over one third of college graduates will not find a job that requires a college degree, while being saddled with the burden of their student loan debts. Meanwhile, their respective higher education institutions will incessantly solicit them for alumni donations and send them emails promoting the accomplishments of the higher education institution and the few alumni that have become successful.

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